Will virgin tap into bt?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by MrIca

That's a strange reply, not quite sure what your problem is. Or why you think you know more than me about the network. But you've annoyed me now and I hate caving in to people like you but here's a mobile mast fed via overhead fibre

I don't have any problem, and I don't think I know more than you.

I just have a heathy scepticism on taking things at face face value, especially on a forum such as this, from people I do not know.

Sorry I annoyed you.

http://goo.gl/maps/5euH3

Here's another one:
http://goo.gl/maps/EN5LA

Those links to google maps, I went on street view and tbh i can't see any mobile masts of any type at either garage, sorry if I'm being blind.


I'm not being awkward I'm genuinely interested as it's not something you see usually.

[MrIca]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I don't have any problem, and I don't think I know more than you.

I just have a heathy scepticism on taking things at face face value, especially on a forum such as this, from people I do not know.

Sorry I annoyed you.



Those links to google maps, I went on street view and tbh i can't see any mobile masts of any type at either garage, sorry if I'm being blind.


I'm not being awkward I'm genuinely interested as it's not something you see usually.

I couldn't work out how to link directly to the street view images from my iPhone but those links should get you close. If you have the Shell garage on your left the Vodafone mast is about 100 yards further down the road. The telephone poles in front of the Shell garage feed it with overhead fibre. You can see the little yellow warning stickers on the bottom of them. It goes overhead to be telephone pole next to the mast and then dives underground into a small BT pavement pit where it links into the cabinet for the mast.

In the other link the Vodafone mast is up on the hill next to the car dealership (in the car park). It is fed by overhead fibre which then goes underground briefly as it has to go under the old railway bridge. It then goes overhead again to a telephone pole that's actually in the car park of the car dealership where it then goes underground again to link into the mast's cabinet.

It's more common than you'd imagine. I feel if I was a mobile network I'd want to insist my masts were fed with purely underground fibre, a falling tree would knock the whole thing off.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by MrIca

If you have the Shell garage on your left the Vodafone mast is about 100 yards further down the road. The telephone poles in front of the Shell garage feed it with overhead fibre.

That's not even a Vodafone mast. It's a CTIL mast, built by O2.

In the other link the Vodafone mast is up on the hill next to the car dealership (in the car park). It is fed by overhead fibre which then goes underground briefly as it has to go under the old railway bridge. It then goes overhead again to a telephone pole that's actually in the car park of the car dealership where it then goes underground again to link into the mast's cabinet.

That's not a Vodafone mast either. In fact, it's not even a mobile mast. It's a railway mast fed by underground fibre from the railway line.

I feel if I was a mobile network I'd want to insist my masts were fed with purely underground fibre, a falling tree would knock the whole thing off.

All mobile networks are using Virgin Media feeds going forwards, not BT.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Because I have a bullpoo radar that goes off

Mine's starting to go off now too.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

All mobile networks are using Virgin Media feeds going forwards, not BT.

Not sure that's accurate. They have the EE contract alright, but O2 inked a new contract with BT in 2013 that's still ongoing and Vodafone going forward are using their ex-Cable and Wireless assets where possible. I have no idea about Three.

[qasdfdsaq]

Not entirely accurate, no. But then, was I any less accurate than MrIca claiming a Network Rail GSM-R mast was a Vodafone mast with BT "fibre" telegraph wires?

The EE deal is managed by MBNL and includes Three:

http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/news/in...with-MBNL.aspx

O2 do indeed have deals in place with both BT and VM. Both are for 10 years from 2013.

http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/news/in...Media-bid.aspx

I forgot about Vodafone, indeed they're the odd ones out using their own ex-C&W network where available, but still sharing backhauls with O2 elsewhere.

[MrIca]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

That's not even a Vodafone mast. It's a CTIL mast, built by O2.


That's not a Vodafone mast either. In fact, it's not even a mobile mast. It's a railway mast fed by underground fibre from the railway line.


All mobile networks are using Virgin Media feeds going forwards, not BT.

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Mine's starting to go off now too.

Ah I give up with you lot!

Im pretty sure the one by Shell says Vodafone on the front of the cabinet! But who gives a crap if it's Vodafone or O2. Does it matter?! Jesus I'll drive up there tomorrow and have a closer look if you like?! You guys are infuriating!

As for your "all masts are fed by Virgin Media". No they bloody well aren't!

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Not entirely accurate, no. But then, was I any less accurate than MrIca claiming a Network Rail GSM-R mast was a Vodafone mast with BT "fibre" telegraph wires?

The EE deal is managed by MBNL and includes Three:

http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/news/in...with-MBNL.aspx

O2 do indeed have deals in place with both BT and VM. Both are for 10 years from 2013.

http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/news/in...Media-bid.aspx

I forgot about Vodafone, indeed they're the odd ones out using their own ex-C&W network where available, but still sharing backhauls with O2 elsewhere.

I really wish the mods would warn people like you about your behaviour. That mast by the dealership is Vodafone or O2, I even saw a planning application for it recently. Whether it is Vodafone, O2 or Network Rail the BT poles DEFINITELY feed it with fibre!

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http://www.wirral.gov.uk/planning/DC...ystemkey=91034

There's your so called a Network Rail mast qasdfdsaq. You're a know it all and you should apologise. Like the other guy did. What is it with you lot absolutely being determined to prove people wrong. You're trolls actually.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by MrIca

That mast by the dealership is Vodafone or O2, I even saw a planning application for it recently. Whether it is Vodafone, O2 or Network Rail the BT poles DEFINITELY feed it with fibre!

If you had the slightest clue you would know the difference, which you clearly don't...

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There's your so called a Network Rail mast qasdfdsaq.

Would sure help if you didn't post inaccurate links and descriptions to start off with. Seeing as the first mast found in YOUR link in the car park YOU described is quite clearly a Network Rail mast:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.34...3tbm_-06HQ!2e0

The CTIL mast is further along, not in the car park, and practically invisible from Street View:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.34...IeejkRnEYA!2e0

The planning application you link to also clearly states the mast is connected to the national network via an underground link. Perhaps you should check your own information before calling others trolls.

[MrIca]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

If you had the slightest clue you would know the difference, which you clearly don't...


Would sure help if you didn't post inaccurate links and descriptions to start off with. Seeing as the first mast found in YOUR link in the car park YOU described is quite clearly a Network Rail mast:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.34...3tbm_-06HQ!2e0

The CTIL mast is further along, not in the car park, and practically invisible from Street View:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.34...IeejkRnEYA!2e0

The planning application you link to also clearly states the mast is connected to the national network via an underground link. Perhaps you should check your own information before calling others trolls.

You are infuriating! You make a point of trying to catch people out! No wonder you've been banned by other forums! It IS connected via an underground cable into a BT joint box in the car park, the joint box is then fed via the overhead fibre cable. See the BT pole in the middle of the car park (it's not just there for a laugh!). It has a cable running down it into the joint box which then goes underground for about 20 metres and into the cabinet for the mast.

You are correct about the masts you are linking to, that one with the planning application is the one I'm referring to (it is at the very edge of the car park btw, look at the planning application there's a bloody car parked next to it in one of the photos!), whether it is in the car park or just a metre off the property is a very minor detail but you do seem to absolutely obsess over those to catch people out.

I've never even noticed the Network Rail one you linked to. You ARE a troll I stand by that. Everything I have said about the overhead fibre cables is correct. I'm sorry, you're wrong.

Feel free to try and educate me on a network you clearly don't work on. Maybe you have more knowledge about mobile masts than me, but I was talking about the cables feeding them.

Ask yourself this, why on earth would I make this up? I'd clearly be strange if I went on a forum and started prattling on about overhead fibre cables if I didn't know that's what they were. It'd be a very odd thing to lie about! Before accusing someone of making something up you should ask why they might make it up.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by MrIca

No wonder you've been banned by other forums!

Funny how you make that up, while ranting about not making things up.

Originally Posted by MrIca

It IS connected via an underground cable into a BT joint box in the car park, the joint box is then fed via the overhead fibre cable. See the BT pole in the middle of the car park (it's not just there for a laugh!). It has a cable running down it into the joint box which then goes underground for about 20 metres and into the cabinet for the mast.

Fair dos.

Originally Posted by MrIca

I've never even noticed the Network Rail one you linked to.

Please re-read my post once you've calmed down.

You ARE a troll I stand by that.

Fair dos.

Everything I have said about the overhead fibre cables is correct. I'm sorry, you're wrong.

If you say so.

Feel free to try and educate me on a network you clearly don't work on.

I think you're doing that well enough yourself, thanks. You seem to be learning quite a lot every time you change your story.

P.S. If you're so confident about your own knowledge, how come you get so agitated when you get caught out? Because that's three different people you've had a problem with now in one thread.

[MrIca]

I've not changed my story though! I've added much more detail, I had to describe everything in boring minuscule detail because you accused me of making it all up! I'm sure the other people in this thread didn't want or need me to go into so much detail but you forced it when you started trying to prove me wrong.

You are obsessing about things like who the mast belongs to, but that's not really relevant to my point. I've already explained I had trouble with the Google Streetview links. I provided two links which I thought would show what I was seeing on my iPhone, unfortunately not, so I had to try and describe where the masts were.

There was then a bit of confusion about the second one because you spotted a Network Rail mast which I've never noticed. Fair enough, but I wasn't wrong in what I originally put.

Both masts are technically fed underground but only the last 10-20 metres, after the initial overhead spans. The fibre cable has to go underground for the last section, how would it get into the cabinet otherwise?

The other person in the thread I had a run in with was also implying I was making this up. Hopefully I've now explained enough about how those masts are fed that everyone can see that they are mostly fed via overhead fibre. Just thought it was interesting that's all, it's not worth you picking holes in every tiny point, it doesn't make for a nice forum.

[MrIca]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

That's not even a Vodafone mast. It's a CTIL mast, built by O2.

Got a chance to drive past this mast today by the Shell garage. Oddly enough there's a Vodafone sticker on the cabinet.

[qasdfdsaq]

Not odd at all, like I said it's a CTIL mast built by O2.

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Not odd at all, like I said it's a CTIL mast built by O2.

I can't help but think you're being deliberately obscure.

The slightly more informative version of that post might be something along the lines of, "That mast belongs to Cornerstone Telecommunications Infrastructure Ltd, which is a joint venture between Vodafone and O2."

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Chris

I can't help but think you're being deliberately obscure.

The slightly more informative version of that post might be something along the lines of, "That mast belongs to Cornerstone Telecommunications Infrastructure Ltd, which is a joint venture between Vodafone and O2."

Given the user's moaned about two other members already and even tried to challenge the fact MBNL exists in the face of the networks' own press releases, it's hard to see why I should bother.

[MrIca]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Not odd at all, like I said it's a CTIL mast built by O2.

Come on man behave yourself! You're just being deliberately pedantic!