Bliar for hire...

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by martyh

Blimey ,pleased I'm not an ex PM called Blair

I know you enjoyed reading that one

[Osem]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Probably pretty similar to the sort we're hearing from you on the right

Cheers

Grim

Really? Right of what?

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Originally Posted by denphone

Yes its a bit strange the Daily Telegraph's memory seems to conveniently forgotten that but what else can you expect from the Daily Mail's new rival.

I don't recall Major jetting off around the globe feathering his nest and buying up property to quite the same extent the Bliar has been but what do you expect from champagne socialists eh... That's what's upsetting a lot of people. A multi-millionaire so called 'socialist' who claims to be in touch with the ordinary man and care about poverty who can easily afford to pay for his own business trip security but doesn't. You'd expect this sort of thing from dodgy bankers and FIFA officials not a self appointed working class hero. There's a word which sums it up - hypocrisy and it applies here just as much as it did to certain sleazy Tories who, prior to 1997, were preaching morals to the rest of us whilst behaving in the most appalling manner.

[denphone]

None of them hardly pay for their own trips so it does not really matter whether its a capitalist or Socialist as it ain't going to change whether we want it too or not as many on power abuse their power as much as they can get away with and they ain't going to give that up in a month of Sunday's are they.

[tweetiepooh]

I think the US president used to get life time protection. Now it's for 10 years after they leave office. Something similar for our PM seems reasonable.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by denphone

None of them hardly pay for their own trips so it does not really matter whether its a capitalist or Socialist as it ain't going to change whether we want it too or not as many on power abuse their power as much as they can get away with and they ain't going to give that up in a month of Sunday's are they.

Doesn't seem like it does it. But certain 'socialists' like to keep banging on about how they're different, care more about people blah, blah, blah. They tell us to expect stuff like this from fat cats and Tories then do it themselves. That's what makes them worse IMHO.

[denphone]

As far as l am concerned you only have to look at MP's awarding themselves a 10% pay rise while for quite a few people in these coming years is only going to bring more strain on their already stretched incomes so they are both as bad as each other and its really basically picking the best from a bad bunch IMHO.

[tweetiepooh]

But it was the independent watchdog (IPSA) who awarded the pay rise, not MP's awarding it themselves. It puts them in a hard position though. Accept and look greedy, turn down and reject the independent body they put in place to make it "fair".

[denphone]

They should all on mass sign a letter saying we won't accept it and get it printed in the national newspapers then they might be believed by many of us.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Really? Right of what?

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I don't recall Major jetting off around the globe feathering his nest and buying up property to quite the same extent the Bliar has been but what do you expect from champagne socialists eh... That's what's upsetting a lot of people. A multi-millionaire so called 'socialist' who claims to be in touch with the ordinary man and care about poverty who can easily afford to pay for his own business trip security but doesn't. You'd expect this sort of thing from dodgy bankers and FIFA officials not a self appointed working class hero. There's a word which sums it up - hypocrisy and it applies here just as much as it did to certain sleazy Tories who, prior to 1997, were preaching morals to the rest of us whilst behaving in the most appalling manner.

If Blair was a socialist I'd have voted for him, he is the template for modern day politicians, no conviction, no belief in their parties principals just a race to the centre ground to appeal to as many as possible as the least worst option

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

But it was the independent watchdog (IPSA) who awarded the pay rise, not MP's awarding it themselves. It puts them in a hard position though. Accept and look greedy, turn down and reject the independent body they put in place to make it "fair".

Please, who was on the panel, do you know? If not how can you say they're independent, it'll be full or Lords, sir's, party affiliates and professional politicians bet ya

One ex-MP, no Lords, no professional politicians...

http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk...executive.aspx

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

One ex-MP, no Lords, no professional politicians...

http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk...executive.aspx

You are joking, they've all sat on quangos you don't get any more of a professional politician than that, held high up positions in the civil service attached to government etc etc

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Osem

Really? Right of what?

Right of the 'Looney Left' you seem so obsessed about (see the quote below).

Originally Posted by Osem

I don't recall Major jetting off around the globe feathering his nest and buying up property to quite the same extent the Bliar has been but what do you expect from champagne socialists eh... That's what's upsetting a lot of people. A multi-millionaire so called 'socialist' who claims to be in touch with the ordinary man and care about poverty who can easily afford to pay for his own business trip security but doesn't. You'd expect this sort of thing from dodgy bankers and FIFA officials not a self appointed working class hero. There's a word which sums it up - hypocrisy and it applies here just as much as it did to certain sleazy Tories who, prior to 1997, were preaching morals to the rest of us whilst behaving in the most appalling manner.

Missing or ignoring the point. In 2002 John Major was reportedly costing nearly twice as much as Tony Blair but I suppose that's OK as there's not as much point scoring to be had from John.

Cheers

Grim

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You are joking, they've all sat on quangos you don't get any more of a professional politician than that, held high up positions in the civil service attached to government etc etc

So what,there are only 2 choices ,have IPSA ,not a perfect solution but it is the best we can hope for and things are a lot more transparent now or go back to having MP's voting their own pay rises ,fiddling expenses and generally taking the pee .Also you have to have a wage that attracts people from less well off backgrounds ,it serves no purpose to have a House of Commons full of millionaires

[Osem]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Right of the 'Looney Left' you seem so obsessed about (see the quote below).

Grim

So that needn't necessarily be right of very much then - right.

Obsessed? Oh really... How many quotes out of over 16,000 posts makes an 'obsession'.

That chip on your shoulder doesn't get any smaller does it.

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Missing or ignoring the point. In 2002 John Major was reportedly costing nearly twice as much as Tony Blair but I suppose that's OK as there's not as much point scoring to be had from John.


Grim

Missing the point that it isn't the amount or the entitlement but the fact that he's a hypocrite which was the original point. Do try and keep up.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by martyh

So what,there are only 2 choices ,have IPSA ,not a perfect solution but it is the best we can hope for and things are a lot more transparent now or go back to having MP's voting their own pay rises ,fiddling expenses and generally taking the pee .Also you have to have a wage that attracts people from less well off backgrounds ,it serves no purpose to have a House of Commons full of millionaires

So what, so they're not independent that's what. The old boys network alive and well scratching each others backs and sitting on each others remuneration committees, it stinks.