[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[MarsBar]

Doing rather well you say?

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk

[Osem]

Originally Posted by MarsBar

Doing rather well you say?

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk

Yes, compared to large parts of the EU. You missed that bit didn't you.

We all know about the huge debt - which is why the cuts are being made. You claimed the UK is 'stagnating' which is nonsense. Tell the hundreds of thousands of migrants who've found jobs here in the last few years that the UK is stagnating and they'll show you Spain, Greece, Portugal, Italy, France...

[MarsBar]

Originally Posted by Osem

Yes, compared to large parts of the EU. You missed that bit didn't you.

We all know about the huge debt - which is why the cuts are being made. You claimed the UK is 'stagnating' which is nonsense. Tell the hundreds of thousands of migrants who've found jobs here in the last few years that the UK is stagnating and they'll show you Spain, Greece, Portugal, Italy, France...

There's 4 times the amount of migrants in Germany,likewise Italy,3 times France and Holland,Spain has the highest,we need migrant workers in the UK,if a person has a EU passport then they are entitled to live here,you do know that,don't you?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by MarsBar

There's 4 times the amount of migrants in Germany,likewise Italy,3 times France and Holland,Spain has the highest,we need migrant workers in the UK,if a person has a EU passport then they are entitled to live here,you do know that,don't you?

Yes I am well aware thanks lol

You claimed the UK is stagnating and right now we're doing a lot better than a lot of EU countries and not stagnating at all. There aren't too many migrants looking for work in Spain or Greece or France or Portugal right now, they're coming here because we are creating jobs and much of Europe isn't. I've no idea why you've brought entitlement into it - I haven't questioned that, just pointing out the reasons people are still coming here by the hundreds of thousands annually and it isn't because of the stangnation, austerity and food banks you claim are representative of the UK. You do know that don't you?

[MarsBar]

I sure do,I also know that many parts of the North of England are totally against austerity yet they wonder why the Tories want to continue with the HS2 and 3 project.
It's still not official that the wrecking of the heart of England's countryside will yet take place,hopefully common sense will prevail,I have my doubts.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by MarsBar

I sure do,I also know that many parts of the North of England are totally against austerity yet they wonder why the Tories want to continue with the HS2 and 3 project.

What parts? Spoken to everyone have you?

I live in the North of England and support austerity measures so far, I also believe in investing in infrastructure. hs2/3, my only complaint is the time it will take to build.

[MarsBar]

Originally Posted by Pierre

What parts? Spoken to everyone have you?

I live in the North of England and support austerity measures so far, I also believe in investing in infrastructure. hs2/3, my only complaint is the time it will take to build.

Put the train lines on the back burner for at least 25 years,by that time we may all be financially rich,or maybe poor,most likely the latter,or dead even.

I remember people saying the same thing about the M25 in the 80's, that it was too expensive and would never be fully utilised.

How's that worked out for them?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Yes, compared to large parts of the EU. You missed that bit didn't you.

We all know about the huge debt - which is why the cuts are being made. You claimed the UK is 'stagnating' which is nonsense. Tell the hundreds of thousands of migrants who've found jobs here in the last few years that the UK is stagnating and they'll show you Spain, Greece, Portugal, Italy, France...

The UK might not be stagnating but the wages are, thanks in a large part to those hundreds of thousands of migrants

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I remember people saying the same thing about the M25 in the 80's, that it was too expensive and would never be fully utilised.

How's that worked out for them?

is that the one known as "the road to hell "

Originally Posted by MarsBar

I sure do,I also know that many parts of the North of England are totally against austerity yet they wonder why the Tories want to continue with the HS2 and 3 project.
It's still not official that the wrecking of the heart of England's countryside will yet take place,hopefully common sense will prevail,I have my doubts.

I live in the North and agree 100% with austerity as do a lot of northerners I know,I am also experiencing the best time for well over a decade in construction for the North of England .
Whatever people think of the need for HS2 the project will provide new jobs and will most definitely not "wreck the heart of England" ,my only issue with HS2 is that for best results it should have happened 20 yrs ago.
If we listened to people like you all the time we would still be using horse and carts.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

is that the one known as "the road to hell "

Nope, it's the road to nowehere - you either sit in traffic or go round in circles...

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Originally Posted by martyh

I live in the North and agree 100% with austerity as do a lot of northerners I know,I am also experiencing the best time for well over a decade in construction for the North of England .
Whatever people think of the need for HS2 the project will provide new jobs and will most definitely not "wreck the heart of England" ,my only issue with HS2 is that for best results it should have happened 20 yrs ago.
If we listened to people like you all the time we would still be using horse and carts.

Now, now, don't go raining on the 'austerity/stagnation/starvation' parade...

Originally Posted by Osem

Now, now, don't go raining on the 'austerity/stagnation/starvation' parade...

I know ,listening to some people it's a crime to think things are going well ,and can I point out (to people like Marsbar) that Austerity is all about good management of available money not about punishing people or depriving them of services so naturally all of us 'Northerners' are mostly in favour of good management ,it's mismanagement and waste we hate .

[MarsBar]

Originally Posted by martyh

I live in the North and agree 100% with austerity as do a lot of northerners I know,I am also experiencing the best time for well over a decade in construction for the North of England .
Whatever people think of the need for HS2 the project will provide new jobs and will most definitely not "wreck the heart of England" ,my only issue with HS2k is that for best results it should have happened 20 yrs ago.
If we listened to people like you all the time we would still be using horse and carts.

Strange that you say you're happy with your lot,the reason I say that is because I have relations and friends in Fleetwood,Newcastle,Birningham,and Cornwall and they are unhappy at seeing London get so much jobs the Govt seem to have forgotten the rest of the UK.

Originally Posted by Osem

Nope, it's the road to nowehere - you either sit in traffic or go round in circles...

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Now, now, don't go raining on the 'austerity/stagnation/starvation' parade...

Now now,sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by MarsBar

Strange that you say you're happy with your lot,the reason I say that is because I have relations and friends in Fleetwood,Newcastle,Birningham,and Cornwall and they are unhappy at seeing London get so much jobs the Govt seem to have forgotten the rest of the UK.



Now now,sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

It didn't escape you though did it?

Yes London's streets are paved with gold. It's not at all the case that some of the UK's most deprived areas are in London but don't let facts trouble your reasoning. London's not immune from all that austerity, stagnation, homelessness, unemployment...