Child abuse 'may well have been' covered up - Norman Tebbit - Page 10

TheDaddy · 01-05-2015, 16:08

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Originally Posted by Osem

The more I hear/read about this case the more it seems to stink.

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/...dementia-cases

I think we all need to know just how robust the medical evidence is.

Not sure where I heard this but the medical evidence is based on counting iirc, it is that robust

Derek · 05-05-2015, 11:14

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Originally Posted by Osem

I think we all need to know just how robust the medical evidence is.

I'd imagine Ernest Saunders doctors were involved.

If he's able to lead a life without significant medical and social assistance then IMO he is fit enough to stand trial.

Stuart · 05-05-2015, 11:25

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Originally Posted by Osem

The more I hear/read about this case the more it seems to stink.

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/...dementia-cases

I think we all need to know just how robust the medical evidence is.

I bet The Grauniad found it painful to criticise a Labour peer that much.
Respect to them for doing it despite their outspoken support for the party though.

Osem · 05-05-2015, 15:15

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Originally Posted by Derek

I'd imagine Ernest Saunders doctors were involved.

If he's able to lead a life without significant medical and social assistance then IMO he is fit enough to stand trial.

Saunders? Now why does that ring a bell?

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Fresh evidence has emerged that authorities in Rotherham were warned about child sexual exploitation in 2003 and again in 2006.

Police and council officials took no action despite being told organised gangs were grooming and abusing girls.

Ex-South Yorkshire Police drugs analyst Angie Heal said she "cannot fathom" why her reports did not lead to action.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-32586558

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South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner Alan Billings said agencies knew about Dr Heal's reports at the time but were focusing on other issues.

"The reports are utterly shocking. When you read them there's no holds barred," he said.

"They went not only to police and local government but to safeguarding boards and the national government. It was widely known what she said.

I wonder if the reluctance to act was in part also linked to the existence of very high profile figures engaged in similar activities and it was deemed better to leave well alone.

Whatever the rationale, it's a huge scandal that needs some answers and the sooner the better.

Derek · 06-05-2015, 06:41

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Originally Posted by Osem

Saunders? Now why does that ring a bell?

He was released from prison after being diagnosed with Alzheimer's. He then went on to make a full recovery, the only person in the world to do so.

**Maggy** · 06-05-2015, 09:13

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Originally Posted by Derek

He was released from prison after being diagnosed with Alzheimer's. He then went on to make a full recovery, the only person in the world to do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinnes...-trading_fraud

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...s-1347932.html

They should refresh everyone's memories..so BOT.

I think that if it does come to court it will come down to expert medical evidence.

Osem · 06-05-2015, 15:07

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Originally Posted by Derek

He was released from prison after being diagnosed with Alzheimer's. He then went on to make a full recovery, the only person in the world to do so.

Lol - I know*, I was referring to the other 'Saunders' in this matter, the CPS boss. Quite a coincidence that...

(* http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34557551-post105.html)

Let's hope he's the last to escape full justice in that manner eh.

Osem · 13-05-2015, 12:15

I realise it's in the Mail and some will say therefore bound to be a complete misrepresentation of the facts but it makes interesting reading:

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Labour peer Lord Janner attended the House of Lords 634 times and voted 203 times even after his dementia diagnosis
Labour peer gave family control of his financial affairs in April 2009
Since then Lord Janner voted 203 times in Lords and attended 634 times
Also managed to claim £104,365 in taxpayer-funded allowances until 2013

CPS boss may face MPs over decision not to prosecute him for 22 offences

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...diagnosis.html

If it were all true it wouldn't look very good would it.

I'd like to know how robust the process which led to this 'diagnosis' was and whether any such determination would offer similarly effective protection from prosecution for ordinary people, especially those who really aren't able to find their way into parliament and vote on numerous occasions in spite of their debilitating condition.

Osem · 15-05-2015, 23:14

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A group who claim ex-Labour MP Lord Janner sexually abused them have been granted a review of the CPS's decision not to prosecute him.

The Director of Public Prosecutions had said Lord Janner, 86, would not be prosecuted, despite sufficient evidence to bring a case, due to his dementia.

But the CPS said a senior prosecutor unconnected to the original case would now review that decision.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32757978

Good news - I hope it's not too late and something comes of it.

Kursk · 16-05-2015, 23:10

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Originally Posted by Osem

Good news - I hope it's not too late and something comes of it.

Indeed it is. For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'

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Osem · 20-05-2015, 14:46

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More than 1,400 suspects, including politicians and celebrities, have been investigated by police probing historic child sex abuse allegations.

The figures were revealed by Operation Hydrant, set up by the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC).

It explores links between child sex abuse by "prominent public persons".

Of the 1,433 suspects identified, 216 are now dead and 261 are classified as people of public prominence, with 135 coming from TV, film or radio.

Of the remainder:

◾A further 76 suspects are politicians, 43 are from the music industry and seven come from the world of sport.
◾A total of 666 claims relate to institutions, with 357 separate institutions identified.
◾Of these, 154 are schools, 75 are children's homes, and 40 are religious institutions.
◾They also include 14 medical establishments, 11 community institutions, nine prisons, nine sports venues and 28 other institutions, including military groups and guest houses.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32812449

MalteseFalcon · 20-05-2015, 14:53

Anyone of those accused who are guilty, I would string them up. And not by the neck either.

Osem · 09-06-2015, 09:47

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33058969

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Police in Scotland are understood to be investigating claims Labour peer Lord Janner abused a boy there in the 1970s.

Det Ch Supt Lesley Boal said Police Scotland officers were investigating a historical complaint - but did not confirm a name.

Lord Janner was accused of abuse allegations during the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s - but was deemed unfit to stand trial in England because of dementia.

Well it'll be interesting to see whether the Scottish legal system is as 'accommodating' as England's when it comes to claims of ill-health.

heero_yuy · 09-06-2015, 09:51

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Originally Posted by Osem

Well it'll be interesting to see whether the Scottish legal system is as 'accommodating' as England's when it comes to claims of ill-health.

Especially as we've seen almost Lazarean remission from dementure or other "incurable" deseases more than once when prosecution has not been undertaken.

Osem · 09-06-2015, 09:57

Yes and we wouldn't want anyone to think that justice isn't applied equally in the UK would we.

Dementia sufferers tried and convicted