2015 UK General Election Thread

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

The Conservatives making it very clear what a waste of time their promise of a referendum is given they already say that they want the UK to remain in a 'reformed' EU leaving, exactly as Douglas Carswell said, masses of wiggle room for cosmetic changes to the relationship they can claim are reform enough to do what Cameron clearly has always wanted and campaign for an 'in' vote.
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That doesn't make the referendum a waste of time. If they don't abide by the result then it does but otherwise the Government are under no obligation to campaign for an exit. In many respects this will echo the Scottish Referendum.

There will still be a vote and you will still have the opportunity to vote to leave.

It's been clear the strategy from the Government is to win concessions, cosmetic or otherwise, from the EU and then campaign for it. This is why Cameron was so adamant that the negotiation happens before the vote. The polls suggest that currently the Stay/Leave vote is close - staying is marginally ahead - but with a 'renegotiation' the stay vote is much higher. That's politics for you.

However before anyone gets too indignant about it let's remember that this is also the reason Euroskeptics wanted a referendum now. They want one before any negotiation can take place and concessions, cosmetic or otherwise, can be granted and weaken their campaign. Ideally whilst Europe remains in turmoil too. Everyone wants the political environment to be favourable to their cause when and if the referendum happens whichever side of the issue they fall into. It isn't limited to Cameron.

The other thing we can be sure of is that the Pro-EU side will label any concessions as meaningful and a victory whilst the Anti-EU side will label them cosmetic. Very few of them will likely have bothered to look either way.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I think she is very tasty, and she can come down here anytime she likes.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I think she is very tasty, and she can come down here anytime she likes.

<little bit of sick in the back of my throat >

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I think she is very tasty, and she can come down here anytime she likes.

As far as l am concerned l don't want her putting one foot over the border.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by denphone

As far as l am concerned l don't want her putting one foot over the border.

Never has Hadrian's wall been so missed.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Does everyone know that Tony Blair has now joined the trail with Ed

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Does everyone know that Tony Blair has now joined the trail with Ed

let me know when tony Blair is on trial .

[denphone]

He has joined the campaign Arthur but one cannot see them both sharing the same soapbox.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I think she is very tasty, and she can come down here anytime she likes.

she's a munta - Arthur has she always been a chick ?

[MalteseFalcon]

That could well be the final nail for Miliband. Having Blair endorse something nowadays is not going to win votes from anyone but the absolute hardcore Labour voters.

Shame really, as I attended a primary school with 2 of Blair's kids before and just after becoming leader, and as such admired him. Sadly, I finally realised what a fool he was in 2003 after the Iraq war began.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Does everyone know that Tony Blair has now joined the trail with Ed

Yes i saw that the lying ******* had crawled out from under the stone he has been hiding under to spin another lie. Now he is in the open i hope someone arrests him for war crimes.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

let me know when tony Blair is on trial .

Would love to see that lying git arrested.

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984

That could well be the final nail for Miliband. Having Blair endorse something nowadays is not going to win votes from anyone but the absolute hardcore Labour voters.

Shame really, as I attended a primary school with 2 of Blair's kids before and just after becoming leader, and as such admired him. Sadly, I finally realised what a fool he was in 2003 after the Iraq war began.

Indeed i hope it does put Miliband on a downward slope.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Hugh

<little bit of sick in the back of my throat >

I can only express solidarity via mutual nausea.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

she's a munta - Arthur has she always been a chick ?

Not saying Arthur's a munta.
but a munta will always find another munter attractive.

me and you have to have a few drinks before.

anyway. Vote Labour and fix the mess that Dave has done in the last five years.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

This is impressive.

So many of the things that people may find repulsive about this general election campaign in a single article.

Tony Blair, the wannabe ruler of Europe, dancing to the EU tune while simultaneously refusing to give unqualified support to Ed Milliband because he, like the rest of us, knows that Ed is abysmal.

The Liberal Democrats fear mongering about how the Tories would be in hock to a UKIP that will get at most half a dozen seats, but the solution is of course to ensure that the Liberal Democrats get enough MPs to form part of a coalition.

The Conservatives making it very clear what a waste of time their promise of a referendum is given they already say that they want the UK to remain in a 'reformed' EU leaving, exactly as Douglas Carswell said, masses of wiggle room for cosmetic changes to the relationship they can claim are reform enough to do what Cameron clearly has always wanted and campaign for an 'in' vote.

Beyond comedy. Beyond farce. Purely depressing. I am 36 years old, the first general election I could vote in I was 18, and I have never wanted to spoil the ballot so strongly.

Go green Carl, I am and be in no doubt it's a protest just like when I used to vote for UKIP or the lib dems in fact every vote but one I've made has been a protest and the one was for a tory MP who helped my mother, felt right to repay the debt no matter how grubby it made me feel leaving the booth

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I think she is very tasty, and she can come down here anytime she likes.

Who wee Jimmy cranky

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Never has Hadrian's wall been so missed.

We'll need to rename that harridan's wall

[MalteseFalcon]

Got to share this picture from the Times today.

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A couple more to brighten up the afternoon: