Council cuts - why Cameron has to go

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Didn't you get the memo. It's not the job of the family to take care of their own anymore. It is the states responsibility ( I.e. You and me) to look after everyone.

i thought the way it worked was i pay the bills/ wipe bottoms/ clean up puke/ run the royal bank of dad etc etc and if i get to the stage when i need a return on my investment my children would step in and help .

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

With the shambles left by Labour it's not surprising that debt has increased.

I'm curious: You're criticising the increase in the deficit. Given that our economic growth is currently the best in the EU, historically higher than the UK average, that is providing realistically the maximum revenues from that source, what your preferred method of squaring the circle is: Increased taxes and/or deeper cuts?

I'm curious when isn't it labours fault anymore in 2017 when Gideon still hasn't done anything about it or after thirteen years like when labour were still blaming the tories for everything.

In answer to your question I'm not responsible for squaring any circles if I were I'd prefer to start with looking at the amount of money government departments waste and the sneaky methods companies and individuals use to get out of paying what's due, the crazy thing is if we devoted as much time to that as we did persecuting the sick we might actually be in the black each month than the red, another thing that I'd look at is why more people are claiming benefits in work than those with no work, that's a circle in need of squaring but instead of doing any thing more substantial with any of these issues they'd rather skip round the peripheries of them and have us believe that every one with a spare room or disability is a ponce.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

what does this man need -3 meals a day. a little help getting around someone to talk to, a little love -these are all things his own family can provide

He needs a lot more than that

wheelchair-bound Robert, is also blind and deaf in one ear,

So needs a lot of help getting round and probably everytime he needs to use the toilet, so needs the 24 hr live in carer, thats something his family can't possibly provide.

I am well aware as I am in a similar position with my mum who has advanced Alzheimer's and we as a family have looked after her as long as possible but now need help as we can't possibly cope. eg if my Dad wants to go play gold then one of us needs to be in the house for before she gets up to make sure she gets showered, fed and doesn't try to leave the house as she loves to get out and walk. Thats hard going if I or anyone else needs to go to work or has other plans.

She actually ran away in Feb and was gone for 9 hours. My dad today was looking at care homes because its getting way to hard to look after her and still keep himself in good health and get his normal business dealt with.

So I imagine that the son mentioned in the story can't possibly commit to round the clock care. So IMO a home with carers and staff there all the time is probably a better option for him too.

The guy is 96 and being wheelchair bound as well as blind and partially deaf needs constant care nevermind keeping the house clean and tidy so I do get why they would be suggesting he goes to a home.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Stephen

He needs a lot more than that
So needs a lot of help getting round and probably everytime he needs to use the toilet, so needs the 24 hr live in carer, thats something his family can't possibly provide.

Surely, if he needs that level of care he should move to a facility that can provide it instead of staying at home and expecting 1-1 care to be provided by the local authority.

I do not believe the LA are in the wrong here.

The guy is 96 and being wheelchair bound as well as blind and partially deaf needs constant care nevermind keeping the house clean and tidy so I do get why they would be suggesting he goes to a home.

Exactly. Usual tripe of a story, when you break it down there are no "evil" cuts impacting it.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

My god the Tory lovers on this forum.

Put it this way, When evil Thatcher came into power. She ripped this country to pieces.

Arthur. Please never change.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I look at it this way, Here is a proud man who fought for his country. He is 96, and any move could possibly kill him. Due to a change of environment. He wants to stay where he is safe. What is wrong with that.

It is really sad when a person who has paid into this countries finances, doesn't get the care and dignity that he deserves.

This what is totally wrong with the care to the elderly in this country, as soon as they reach a certain age, the authorities just pass you to one side. And it should be ashamed of themself

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I look at it this way, Here is a proud man who fought for his country. He is 96, and any move could possibly kill him. Due to a change of environment. He wants to stay where he is safe. What is wrong with that.

It is really sad when a person who has paid into this countries finances, doesn't get the care and dignity that he deserves.

This what is totally wrong with the care to the elderly in this country, as soon as they reach a certain age, the authorities just pass you to one side. And it should be ashamed of themself

You are correct. Just don't blame the tories for this.

[Kursk]

I wonder if Lottery Funding would be granted or Help for Heroes? The Council, to be fair, has a responsibility to its taxpayers and other beneficiaries.

More helpful to find a solution than to argue the toss about which Political Party are to 'blame'. A more productive thread would have sought ideas from the very informed contributors here rather than to go for the Tory jugular imho.

Start here Arthur.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

My god the Tory lovers on this forum.

As opposed to the Labour lovers, like you.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Put it this way, When evil Thatcher came into power. She ripped this country to pieces. This is why people were delighted when she got ousted.

By people, you mean those pesky labour voters I presume ?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Being a Labour voter, l am proud that a Labour party WILL look after the working people of this country.

Look at it this way, major stores who have big boss's that donate money to the Tories. Have workers that produce the goods that that company sells.

The workers produce the goods that, and probably get a pocksey wage. to go with it.

Yes, these companies provide jobs. BUT you work to live, not the other way round. Look at the Bedroom Tax, that wasn't even talked about last night. It was brought out by the Tories. They wont talk about the Mansion Tax as it will effect millionaires that pays into the Tory coffers.

I wish Nicola Sturgeon was our PM, she spoke more about the people - than Cameron or Miliband said together.

We have to have a party that looks after the workers of this country, not the rich who think we from the gutter

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Being a Labour voter, l am proud that a Labour party WILL look after the working people of this country.

You really don't seem to know your own mind, Arthur. Just before the last election you said:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Let me clear one thing, l WON'T be voting Labour, I have voted Lib Dem, as a protest vote against our Labour MP, who is crap and she is from Hounslow. I am a strong Labour Voter and always have been, BUT won't vote for our MP.

But 18 months after your Lib Dem MP went into coalition with the Tories, you were insisting:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

How many times do l have to say this - I AM NOT A LABOUR VOTER.

So, are you a strong Labour voter who doesn't vote Labour, (especially when they field crap candidates from Hounslow), a non-Labour voter who does vote Labour, or something else entirely?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

You really don't seem to know your own mind, Arthur. Just before the last election you said:



But 18 months after your Lib Dem MP went into coalition with the Tories, you were insisting:





So, are you a strong Labour voter who doesn't vote Labour, (especially when they field crap candidates from Hounslow), a non-Labour voter who does vote Labour, or something else entirely?

Blimey you stalking him? That was years ago and he stated why, I mean, Hounslow

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Blimey you stalking him? That was years ago and he stated why, I mean, Hounslow

I have a good memory, and in any case, that's one of my all-time favourite Arthur quotes.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Being a Labour voter, l am proud that a Labour party WILL look after the working people of this country.

Look at it this way, major stores who have big boss's that donate money to the Tories. Have workers that produce the goods that that company sells.

The workers produce the goods that, and probably get a pocksey wage. to go with it.

Yes, these companies provide jobs. BUT you work to live, not the other way round. Look at the Bedroom Tax, that wasn't even talked about last night. It was brought out by the Tories. They wont talk about the Mansion Tax as it will effect millionaires that pays into the Tory coffers.

I wish Nicola Sturgeon was our PM, she spoke more about the people - than Cameron or Miliband said together.

We have to have a party that looks after the workers of this country, not the rich who think we from the gutter

Gawd, I cotton on slowly. You don't actually give a bugger about the old bloke who might have to leave his house, you just want a political football to kick. Compassion doesn't come into it.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Gawd, I cotton on slowly. You don't actually give a bugger about the old bloke who might have to leave his house, you just want a political football to kick. Compassion doesn't come into it.

its not in his job description