Heartbreaking Picture of War

Originally Posted by Pierre

This is a happy thread.

Really cheered me up.

Dont read it then, the title is pretty damn obvious as to what will be in it.

[alanbjames]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Equally moving imo, the apparently broken spirit of a starving 8 year old girl, and an attendant vulture, in the Sudan. As I recall, the photographer later regretted not helping her and took his own life.

This is true he took his own life, but for some reason which i cannot remember he was not allowed to help or intervene in anyway.

[Kymmy]

He took his own life a year after the picture was taken so doubtful that the image was the cause.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Carter

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

He took his own life a year after the picture was taken so doubtful that the image was the cause.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Carter

Money problems seem to have been the overriding factor although he does say "I am haunted by the vivid memories of killings and corpses and anger and pain ... of starving or wounded children" in the note he left so the horrors of his experiences had weighed upon him.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I honestly believe that Mp's of any country should not have the power to send people into wars. It should be put to the people who are going to be the cannon fodder in that war to decide if its a just war. Mp's send people to there deaths but if they would have to go themselves it would be a different matter.

That's why I liked Richard III, hullaballoo about having young princes killed aside at least he had the testicular fortitude to get on his horse and have it, imagine Dave or bliar leading from the front like that no far easier to send other peoples children to do the fighting and dying

Richard lost the propaganda war because he conveniently died.Whatever we hear about him now has to be very carefully weighed and considered especially as many sources were tainted by his successors.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Richard lost the propaganda war because he conveniently died.Whatever we hear about him now has to be very carefully weighed and considered especially as many sources were tainted by his successors.

Details of that battle and his conduct therein are accurate

Yes, but all the Shakespeare stuff was written to get on the right side of the Tudors....

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Details of that battle and his conduct therein are accurate

Who wrote the details and when?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Dont read it then, the title is pretty damn obvious as to what will be in it.

FFS how many times ? any chance of you coming up with an original comment

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Who wrote the details and when?

For an educator I'm surprised you don't think historians would use contemporary accounts of those that were there and research them enough to be able to eliminate the biased or unreliable sources. Even Wikipedia lists four contemporary accounts.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battl...TEREFAdams2002

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Yes, but all the Shakespeare stuff was written to get on the right side of the Tudors....

Lucky for bill no one decided to stick up for their grandmother then wasn't it

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

For an educator I'm surprised you don't think historians would use contemporary accounts of those that were there and research them enough to be able to eliminate the biased or unreliable sources. Even Wikipedia lists four contemporary accounts.

Just because a source is contemporary does not necessarily mean that they are truthful or accurate. It was not the time of fast global news as now and not everyone was concerned with writing the truth..indeed it might well be dangerous to put an independent viewpoint forward..

[alanbjames]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

He took his own life a year after the picture was taken so doubtful that the image was the cause.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Carter

It was nothing to do with the image. It was the fact that he could have helped the child but was prevented from doing so and evidently the child died.

I have been unfortunate in my life to have seen a child in an open top coffin.

An Ex work collegue lost his son aged 4 and seeing that image i mean it really hit me and i was not myself for weeks as i kept seeing him laying there and asking myself did i offer enough support to my friend and his wife and so on.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Just because a source is contemporary does not necessarily mean that they are truthful or accurate. It was not the time of fast global news as now and not everyone was concerned with writing the truth..indeed it might well be dangerous to put an independent viewpoint forward..

But when the contemporary sources say the same thing in spite of supporting different sides and tally with independent foreign accounts especially when it's potentially detrimental to them how much more proof is actually needed.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

But when the contemporary sources say the same thing in spite of supporting different sides and tally with independent foreign accounts especially when it's potentially detrimental to them how much more proof is actually needed.

You just have to preface anything you say that it was thought by some and end it with the suggestion that some sources need to be viewed with discretion. The teaching of history has become based on actually looking at sources by eye witness and contemporary non eye witness(hearsay) and later hearsay.Just because something is written down does not make it a truth.

It's no different than checking facts online today..you have to bear in mind the agenda someone might have in slewing information to convey a certain viewpoint as fact.