2015 UK General Election Thread

Originally Posted by techguyone

Better economy perhaps, more people working... well if you include zero hour contracts and the like to manipulate figures. There should be significant shame over employment laws twisted in that manner (no I'm not a labour voter)

Lets not forget those deemed 'fit to work' who very clearly are not, but hey when you work to targets...

IDS needs taking out back and shooting - asshole

I was only speaking in general terms though, there are still issues to be sorted out but in general things are much better than 5yrs ago .I would hate to have the real mess that Labour would have made getting us out of the crash

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by martyh

How is a better economy and more people working a mess ?

national debt doubled over 1.3 trillion now despite all the cuts nhs in mess as always after tories gain power food banks soring aye all ok eh only ones better off is super rich and there borrowing more now than ever

[techguyone]

I find it galling that we give away 12+ Billion/yr in Foreign aid, god knows how much to bail out banks, then get told 'we need to cut welfare spending'. You couldn't make it up.

Serious errors in judgement in some polices WILL results in the Conservatives being punished, and it was avoidable, most of what they do makes good sense, but the social stuff is just alienating vast sectors of the population, doubly so when we are crying about how poor we are, and then legislate to commit 0.7% GDP in Foreign Corruption Bribery... sorry Foreign Aid. People aren't stupid.

I wonder if the social-dynamic side will cost the Conservatives the election, much like the Poll Tax did before

Originally Posted by Dave42

debt doubled over 1.3

Debt isn't really the issue ,our ability to service that debt is the real issue and it is better now than 5yrs ago

despite all the cuts nhs in mess

What cuts ? the NHS budget has been ringfenced

food banks soring

only because peoples priorities are wrong ,if some people gave up tv subscriptions and other non essentials then they could afford to buy food

only ones better off is super rich

Rubbish, I'm much better off and I'm definitely not super rich

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by martyh

Debt isn't really the issue ,our ability to service that debt is the real issue and it is better now than 5yrs ago



What cuts ? the NHS budget has been ringfenced



only because peoples priorities are wrong ,if some people gave up tv subscriptions and other non essentials then they could afford to buy food




Rubbish, I'm much better off and I'm definitely not super rich

bet you be first to complain about the debt if was labour in power and it doubled

whats cut are you saying been no cuts last 5 years please tell me your not saying that

[heero_yuy]

Let's not forget that the "rich" only paid income tax at 40% for almost the entire 13 years of the Labour government. They now pay 45%. Wheras the level for starting to pay tax has been raised by a large amount.

The 50% rate was part of Labour's scorched earth policy when they knew they were going to be chucked out of office for their royally screwing of the economy.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Dave42

bet you be first to complain about the debt if was labour in power and it doubled

So very true.

Originally Posted by Dave42

bet you be first to complain about the debt if was labour in power and it doubled

whats cut are you saying been no cuts last 5 years please tell me your not saying that

Strangely enough, it did....

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite...ional_Debt.svg

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/sp...98_2016UKb_G0t

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Strangely enough, it did....

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite...ional_Debt.svg

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/sp...98_2016UKb_G0t

they didn't double it in 5 years like tories

Originally Posted by Dave42

bet you be first to complain about the debt if was labour in power and it doubled

whats cut are you saying been no cuts last 5 years please tell me your not saying that

As I said I'm not worried about the debt just our ability to service it ,and under the conservatives it is doing well .You have to remember also that the conservatives are paying debt built up by Labour and their policy of giving everyone benefits

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Originally Posted by Dave42

they didn't double it in 5 years like tories

so if they hadn't increased the debt what do you imagine the austerity would be like ? would they be as they are today or would they be similar to Greek or Italian measures ?.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by martyh

As I said I'm not worried about the debt just our ability to service it ,and under the conservatives it is doing well .You have to remember also that the conservatives are paying debt built up by Labour and their policy of giving everyone benefits

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so if they hadn't increased the debt what do you imagine the austerity would be like ? would they be as they are today or would they be similar to Greek or Italian measures ?.

all the cuts and still doubled debt great management NOT

Originally Posted by Dave42

all the cuts and still doubled debt great management NOT

The cuts are to insure that people still get all the benefits and other give aways that Labour set up during their term in office .The Tories could easily have cut borrowing from day one of their term in government ,all that would have happened is that benefits would be cut more severely ,more people would lose their jobs in government departments austerity would be much more severe than it is now .Because of the Tories debt management we can still afford luxuries such as the NHS and benefits for all .You have a mistaken idea of what the cuts are designed to do

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by martyh

The cuts are to insure that people still get all the benefits and other give aways that Labour set up during their term in office .The Tories could easily have cut borrowing from day one of their term in government ,all that would have happened is that benefits would be cut more severely ,more people would lose their jobs in government departments austerity would be much more severe than it is now .Because of the Tories debt management we can still afford luxuries such as the NHS and benefits for all .You have a mistaken idea of what the cuts are designed to do

they already said most cuts not done yet if they get back god help us and NHS is mess as always when tories get in

Originally Posted by Dave42

they already said most cuts not done yet if they get back god help us and NHS is mess as always when tories get in

Again ,the Tories could have had all the cuts in one go but didn't that is why borrowing has risen ,you need to look at Labours spending habits and unrealistic promises and policies and then you may start to understand why government borrowing is so high

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Look at it this way. The Tories have already said that there are MORE plan cuts to be made if they get back in.

Gurrantee, they will hit the welfare budget again, by forcing people on disability benefit etc

This cannot be done, while the rich get richer