Superhub : 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)

[General Maximus]

WOW , better than the 16 we were expecting then. It is going to be interesting to see whether it is a standalone modem or if they try and palm it off as a router as well.

[Martin_D]

Can they just put a new chip into the VMDG490 to make it do 24 x 8? If not it
Doesn't look like any new Hub has been put into the Wi-Fi Certified proses just yet.

http://www.wi-fi.org/product-finder-...rom=2012-01-01

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As General Maximus said it my be a standalone modem now

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by General Maximus

WOW , better than the 16 we were expecting then. It is going to be interesting to see whether it is a standalone modem or if they try and palm it off as a router as well.

Doesn't mean that the top tier will start of with 16 DS. You know how VM do it - 4 then 6 then 8; so maybe 12 DS first. According to my information it will be a gateway. Are they so dumb as not to have a modem mode?

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Originally Posted by Martin Dee 11

Can they just put a new chip into the VMDG490 to make it do 24 x 8? If not it
Doesn't look like any new Hub has been put into the Wi-Fi Certified proses just yet.

http://www.wi-fi.org/product-finder-...rom=2012-01-01

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As General Maximus said it my be a standalone modem now

Or it may be a non-VM branded product. I've no hard information on that though.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Martin Dee 11

Can they just put a new chip into the VMDG490 to make it do 24 x 8? If not it
Doesn't look like any new Hub has been put into the Wi-Fi Certified proses just yet.

http://www.wi-fi.org/product-finder-...rom=2012-01-01

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As General Maximus said it my be a standalone modem now

VMDG490 seems to be a 16x4 unit. I see no reason why it can't be used for a potential 300Mb service. The product page advertises suitability for up to 800Mbps downloads.

[Sephiroth]

... and another thing to draw this together.

Bearing in mind that the VM tiers will be 100/200/300, the fact that they're trialling 200 meg in Cardiff (e.g.) suggests that the SH will remain the gateway for the two lower tiers. The 300 meg tier will almost certainly not be of the current SH2 type.

And have you also noticed what VM said about infilling adjacent areas? I don't think they said as much as this, but it'll be deep fibre whereby each cabinet will be an optical node, the fibre going back to the local hub, aggregated into a line card via passive optical taps. Much easier to manage resegmentation and because there is no amplification, vastly improved SNR. Last 200 metres would, of course, be coax. Anyone able to confirm all that?

Maybe need to look at what LG are up to rather than just VM

http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s889754

[roughbeast]

Originally Posted by Kushan

It's certainly possible to do 300Mbit on 8 channels, but you're right - I'd imagine 12 or 16 would be better. See what Virgin does, I suppose.

8 channels certainly possible. Thinking back to the Coventry proof of concept trial, a few years ago now, I was the only regular customer trialist to to have a 400Mb connection. From what I recall I maxed at 380Mb/24Mb on an 8 channel modem connected to my, then, WNDR3700 router. However, I was the only trial customer on our street cabinet.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr Banana

Maybe need to look at what LG are up to rather than just VM

http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s889754

Bearing in mind that VM's plans are LG's too, the article suggests to me that the top tier modem/gateway could have the new bi-sexual Broadcomm chip - I don't have any solid information on that though at this stage.

I imagine that VM, in the spirit of the LG VP's statement, might pilot a DOCSIS 3.1 segment somewhere after proving the chip out in their labs. The BC3390 is, according to the article, at sample release stage so it's not like something just about to happen.

An interesting situation.

[Kushan]

I think the 100/200/300 speeds are all but a given at this point, but I don't see it involving DOCSIS 3.1. I think we're likely to see more Downstream channels on 3.0 for a couple of years yet.

It's not like Virgin has much competition in this area, 150Meg is already faster than most consumer things. 300 would keep them going for a couple of years.

[Sephiroth]

For what my opinion is worth, Kush, I think you're more-or-less right. The "couple of years" - maybe because DOCSIS 3.1 has to mature, be proved out and so on.

[alanbjames]

Well when tech was here 2 weeks ago i was told that 200mb in Swansea was being tested at Matrix Court which is Virgins main offices here in Wales now and also at test at the head end and due for roll out in Swansea during the 3/4 of this year.

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

For what my opinion is worth, Kush, I think you're more-or-less right. The "couple of years" - maybe because DOCSIS 3.1 has to mature, be proved out and so on.

I recently read that Comcast has started 3.1 trials with an aim to start rolling out in 2016. I'm sure that'll be tail-end 2016 but either way, it would mean that 2016/2017 is a realistic time frame for 3.1 deployments.

That to me says moving to 12/16/24 downstream channels in the meantime makes the most sense. While you're at it, prep the network for 3.1 deployment. When you can, start shipping 3.1 capable equipment and it'll all come together.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by alanbjames

Well when tech was here 2 weeks ago i was told that 200mb in Swansea was being tested at Matrix Court which is Virgins main offices here in Wales now and also at test at the head end and due for roll out in Swansea during the 3/4 of this year.

Yes - my info is roll out to start October this year.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Kushan

I think the 100/200/300 speeds are all but a given at this point, but I don't see it involving DOCSIS 3.1. I think we're likely to see more Downstream channels on 3.0 for a couple of years yet.

It's not like Virgin has much competition in this area, 150Meg is already faster than most consumer things. 300 would keep them going for a couple of years.

I wouldn't hold you're breath on that one. BT are going to be trialing G.fast this summer in 2 areas.

"The two pilots will start this summer in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire and Gosforth, Newcastle. Around 4,000 homes and businesses will be able to participate in the pilots which will explore what speeds can be delivered using G.fast at scale."

Roll out to begin 2016/7

scource http://www.btplc.com/Innovation/Inno...fast/index.htm

[mmm]

NB I am a long way away from Wales!

For info if using an Asus RT-N66U you can download test at full speed using latest ASUSWRT-Merlin firmware with QOS disabled,



Tomatusb was limited to ~150 Mbps

This router seems to max out at 110Mbps using QOS (might be tunable).