Oooh, look. Half a million more people claiming housing benefit under coalition.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Osem

Exactly! If they were reducing the spend on housing benefit then the lefties would be moaning about that. Can't please some people

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Exactly! If they were reducing the spend on housing benefit then the lefties would be moaning about that. Can't please some people

Just goes to show what a bunch of hypocrites and chancers they are.

[Taf]

The Lefties realise that much of that Housing Benefit ends up in the pockets of landlords. Landlords that support Right wing policies and politicians.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Exactly! If they were reducing the spend on housing benefit then the lefties would be moaning about that. Can't please some people

Is anyone actually complaining about increased benefits? The way I have read the report and the complaint is the lack of affordable housing. I don't think any of them want housing benefit to be cut and the people receiving it made homeless.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Damien

Is anyone actually complaining about increased benefits? The way I have read the report and the complaint is the lack of affordable housing. I don't think any of them want housing benefit to be cut and the people receiving it made homeless.

If thats the case then the articles headline should be changed to reflect that instead of saying:
"Half a million more people claiming housing benefit under coalition "


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Originally Posted by Taf

The Lefties realise that much of that Housing Benefit ends up in the pockets of landlords.

I suppose that we could ban buy to let mortgages. That would stop a lot of landlords being able to buy houses to rent out.
Of course, that would stop a lot of property sales, for lack of buyers. That would mean that many owners would become accidental landlords.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Taf

The Lefties realise that much of that Housing Benefit ends up in the pockets of landlords. Landlords that support Right wing policies and politicians.

IIRC Flyboy was a landlord and didn't support the Tories.

He was odd though...

I suppose that we could ban buy to let mortgages. That would stop a lot of landlords being able to buy houses to rent out.
Of course, that would stop a lot of property sales, for lack of buyers. That would mean that many owners would become accidental landlords.

Increasing the housing supply is the best way to fix this imo. We're not building enough homes and all Government policy thus far seems to be geared towards maintaining the market as it is but using Government money to get more people onto the flyaway train. Either though help to buy, the new homes discount or whatever else they're cooking up.

All of them are ultimately the Government subsiding the rise in house prices by ensuring the demand is there. If they increased house building and got rid of the subsides then the housing benefit may be reduced. However that would be either because house prices have stopped increasing or even fallen.

[Ramrod]

I agree that building more houses is the answer (or stop letting in so many people would help as well)
Trouble is that everyone wants to live in the south east and we have got far too many here as it is hence the high prices and groaning infrastructure.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I agree that building more houses is the answer (or stop letting in so many people would help as well)
Trouble is that everyone wants to live in the south east and we have got far too many here as it is hence the high prices and groaning infrastructure.

Yeah we need to do better in promoting investment and business in the North. I think London & the South East would be helped if we didn't have every new development being taken up by luxury apartments marketed as investments to wealthy investors from abroad. I could understand Westminster and Hyde Park getting luxury developments but Stratford? Hackney? East London? It's getting insane.

Maybe London needs to have more powers devolved so it can concentrate on it's unique problems and allow Parliament to address the wider country. That said I don't have confidence in London's governance to assume they won't want to continue things as they are anyway.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I don't understand. Why are the lefties moaning about the Tories giving housing benefit to more people?

They are moaning because the HB bill is going up despite more people being in work(according to government figures) which means that wages have dropped and more people are on lower wages putting them into the 'in work benefits' bracket ,which to be quite honest is absolutely shameful. If people can't work and earn enough to support themselves without relying on state benefits then something is very wrong.

[Gary L]

So even "hard working people" claim benefits.

and some of them seem to forget that fact.

some of them claim more benefits than somebody that doesn't work.

and they seem to forget that too.

Originally Posted by Gary L

So even "hard working people" claim benefits.

and some of them seem to forget that fact.

some of them claim more benefits than somebody that doesn't work.

and they seem to forget that too.

Indeed , Labour has a lot to answer for .

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

Indeed , Labour has a lot to answer for .

I know.
but they'll be back in soon to sort it all out, Marty.

Originally Posted by Gary L

I know.
but they'll be back in soon to sort it all out, Marty.

I thought the purple one was going to win and then fix the country before dinner

[RichardCoulter]

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

I don't understand. Why are the lefties moaning about the Tories giving housing benefit to more people?

Because the Government have allowed rents to rise so much that 25% of private tenants are now on Housing Benefit. This costs the taxpayer more as it has meant that, despite their cuts, the Housing Benefit bill has ballooned under the coalition.

The main beneficiaries of this situation are the people that Taf has outlined below:

Originally Posted by Taf

The Lefties realise that much of that Housing Benefit ends up in the pockets of landlords. Landlords that support Right wing policies and politicians.

Indeed. So, if you think about it, who is it that is REALLY sponging off the taxpayer?

Originally Posted by martyh

They are moaning because the HB bill is going up despite more people being in work(according to government figures) which means that wages have dropped and more people are on lower wages putting them into the 'in work benefits' bracket ,which to be quite honest is absolutely shameful. If people can't work and earn enough to support themselves without relying on state benefits then something is very wrong.

This and the fact that rents have been allowed to spiral out of control. As a resukt, many people who managed without Housing Benefit are now eligible to claim.

Originally Posted by Gary L

So even "hard working people" claim benefits.

and some of them seem to forget that fact.

some of them claim more benefits than somebody that doesn't work.

and they seem to forget that too.

True. In fact much, much more is paid out in benefits to those in work than out if work.