Am Over the Limit to Drive ?

[heero_yuy]

Mmm. It reckons I could have a couple of pints of wifebeater over 2 hours and still drive. Not sure I'd want to try that though.

Originally Posted by Russ

"Sensible" is subjective.

I'd say sensible is to be not drink at all if you're going to drive.

"Sensible" is not subjective, it is a quality of the brain that not everybody has.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Mmm. It reckons I could have a couple of pints of wifebeater over 2 hours and still drive. Not sure I'd want to try that though.

Well, trust or no trust. This chart is the best guide you will get other than being breathalysed by a stop cop. I have 500 ml of 9% abv lager every day, but it is 2-3 hours before I drive and my reading is negligible. I have no problems with that. Like a pilot, you have to have confidence in your instruments.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Wittmann

"Sensible" is not subjective, it is a quality of the brain that not everybody has.

Whereas I agree with the second part of that, sensible is indeed subjective and is being demonstrated here.

I don't think it's wise to drive after an alcoholic drink. In fairness I'm not all that sure it's an idea to drink after a few Redbulls either. I'm not criticising or judging - just saying what I feel is sensible.

Ritalin stays in the system for about 4 hours but the effects can last for another 2, which is why I don't take mine if it coincides with any driving I'm doing. Am I right or wrong? Who knows, I just follow what I feel is sense.

Originally Posted by Russ

Whereas I agree with the second part of that, sensible is indeed subjective and is being demonstrated here.

I don't think it's wise to drive after an alcoholic drink. In fairness I'm not all that sure it's an idea to drink after a few Redbulls either. I'm not criticising or judging - just saying what I feel is sensible.

Ritalin stays in the system for about 4 hours but the effects can last for another 2, which is why I don't take mine if it coincides with any driving I'm doing. Am I right or wrong? Who knows, I just follow what I feel is sense.

That is all OK Russ, but the paranoia generated by the very mention of alcohol is like the paranoia present in breathing cigarette smoke from a mile distance.

Millions of people take medicinal drugs every day which state that they impair the judgement, saying that you should not operate machinery and a car is machinery.

If you personally feel that a sniff of alcohol is detrimental to driving, then fine, that is your own opinion. Other people have a more compromising view of life.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Wittmann

Other people have a more compromising view of driving.

I think that's a better way of putting it.

Originally Posted by Russ

I think that's a better way of putting it.

By the way Russ, if Ritalin is present in Red Bull then we are not talking about alcohol, we are considering a stimulant.

Ritalin (methylphenidate) is an amphetamine-like prescription stimulant commonly used to treat Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) in children and adults.italin -
So forget Ritalin on this thread, it is a medicinal drug problem, not an alcoholic drink-driving matter.

[joglynne]

Is this thread about beating a breath test or about being a responsible driver?

Personally I never drink and drive. There are enough people on the roads who think that passing the breath test means that they good drivers without me joining their ranks.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Wittmann

By the way Russ, if Ritalin is present in Red Bull then we are not talking about alcohol, we are considering a stimulant.

Ritalin (methylphenidate) is an amphetamine-like prescription stimulant commonly used to treat Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) in children and adults.italin -
So forget Ritalin on this thread, it is a medicinal drug problem, not an alcoholic drink-driving matter.

You don't go placing limitations on someone else's opinion.

I know exactly what Ritalin is thanks, if I was a betting man I'd wager I may know slightly more than the average CF user about it. It doesn't make me an expert by any means but I do know what it's for. And it isn't a problem.

Alcohol is a chemical that causes reactions in the body, just like caffeine, amphetamines, taurine etc and can have a major impact on someone's driving ability. Having any artificially-placed substance such as these in your system while driving isn't what I'd call sensible.

[Gary L]

There's a high percentage of drivers amongst the millions on the roads today. driving impaired and under the influence of recreational drugs.

just saying.

[Stop It]

Originally Posted by Wittmann

If you personally feel that a sniff of alcohol is detrimental to driving, then fine, that is your own opinion. Other people have a more compromising view of life.

Well as someone of memories of losing school friends at a young age to a drunk driver, let me say that I think that some people have a very bad view on the effects of alcohol on their driving abilities and this ends in so many avoidable accidents and deaths.

It only takes one mistake to kill someone, and if that mistake is caused, or made worse by alcohol, is it worth saying "Ah, I'm fine to drive" or just thinking "You know what, it isn't worth it".

Drink, OR Drive, don't do both.

To address Gary L, drug driving is just as bad as drink driving, and thankfully will face the same penalties soon.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Stop It

To address Gary L, drug driving is just as bad as drink driving, and thankfully will face the same penalties soon.

It's a pity using a mobile is treated so lightly as it is proven to be just as bad, or even worse, than drink or drug driving. I think it should attract the same penalties.

Originally Posted by joglynne

Is this thread about beating a breath test or about being a responsible driver?

It is not about beating anything. If you read the lines carefully it is about assessing your BAC by using a responsibly developed hypothetical alcohol limit guide. Beyond that, your personal views on drinking and driving are utterly irrelevant and of no interest to anybody. An opinion is like Clint Eastwood said in more explicit anatomical terms, we all have one.

[heero_yuy]

Using a smartphone for social networking slows reaction times by 37.6 per cent;
texting slows reaction times by 37.4 per cent;
hands-free mobile phone conversation slows reaction times by 26.5 per cent;
cannabis slows reaction times by 21 per cent;
alcohol (above UK driving limit but below 100mg per 100ml of blood) slows reaction time by between six and 15 per cent; and
alcohol at the legal limit slows reaction times by 12.5 per cent.

IAM Research linky

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Wittmann

It is not about beating anything. If you read the lines carefully it is about assessing your BAC by using a responsibly developed hypothetical alcohol limit guide.

A responsible limit to some would be zero.

Originally Posted by Wittmann

Beyond that, your personal views on drinking and driving are utterly irrelevant and of no interest to anybody

.

Don't go assuming you speak for everyone/anyone else on this forum

Originally Posted by Wittmann

An opinion is like Clint Eastwood said in more explicit anatomical terms, we all have one.

My case.

One can 500 ml lager @ 9% abv and drive 3 hours later = BAC 0.01. Well within the limit of BAC 0.08 and even if it is 2 hours later it is only BAC 0.02.

3 glasses of Hock @ 11% abv (actually only 9%), 100 ml glasses and drive 2 hours later = BAC 0.01.

Apart from individual anti-drink-drive uncontrollable paranoia, what is the problem ?

It is no more life threatening or becoming a public menace than eating a few wine gums.