Yet again - Cyclist Killed in London

Arthurgray50@blu · 07-02-2015, 20:47

http://www.itv.com/news/london/story...d-from-london/

Another cyclist was killed in London today, and yes, this is NOT the same link.

BUT, this item brought to me the problems that face Lorry drivers, and any vehicle in any road in the country.

I point out the cyclist in this 'photo' NO protection, NO hi vis. I have every sympathy with the person/family.

BUT, instead of Boris spending thousands of pounds of OUR money to have cycle highway's. He must do something abaout educating Cyclist on using roads.

Until this happens, accidents will continue to happen. And no matter what Drivers do on the roads to have equipment that can see cyclist - Cyclist must play there part in the OWN safety

**Hugh** · 07-02-2015, 20:51

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-31192637

idi banashapan · 07-02-2015, 23:43

roads where never designed for bicycles - certainly not for bicycles AND motor vehicles at the same time. of course this is going to happen every now and then.

Sirius · 08-02-2015, 02:39

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

http://www.itv.com/news/london/story...d-from-london/

Another cyclist was killed in London today, and yes, this is NOT the same link.

BUT, this item brought to me the problems that face Lorry drivers, and any vehicle in any road in the country.

I point out the cyclist in this 'photo' NO protection, NO hi vis. I have every sympathy with the person/family.

BUT, instead of Boris spending thousands of pounds of OUR money to have cycle highway's. He must do something abaout educating Cyclist on using roads.

Until this happens, accidents will continue to happen. And no matter what Drivers do on the roads to have equipment that can see cyclist - Cyclist must play there part in the OWN safety

Simple let the cyclist pay for there own training. why should i have to pay for it with our taxes

alferret · 08-02-2015, 08:32

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Originally Posted by Sirius:35757867

Simple let the cyclist pay for there own training. why should i have to pay for it with our taxes

I agree, we drivers have to pay for our training, insurance, tax and mot.
Those who ride bikes on the road network need to spend some of their own money on training and more so insurance.

papa smurf · 08-02-2015, 08:41

i think if the gov passed a law that made cyclists obey the highway code then we could greatly contribute to cyclist safety this do what the hell you like because we are exempt approach is clearly not working .

Kursk · 08-02-2015, 08:48

Gawd, here we go again. Cyclists already pay tax; vehicle excise duty is not road (maintenance) tax.

Now, do you all really want to discourage cycling to the extent that potential cyclists buy cars instead and block up the roads even more than they are now and do you want kids getting fatter because cycling becomes unaffordable?

Both of these options will be of greater expense to you than the controls you would apply to cycling.

The Highway Code is seldom observed by any group using our roads...

Derek · 08-02-2015, 08:52

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Originally Posted by alferret

I agree, we drivers have to pay for our training, insurance, tax and mot.

So if you were put through driver training by the army or Police and drive a new zero rated car so no VED or MOT you shouldn't be on the road?

How about all users of the road pay more attention to the rules and what's happening around them, far easier than unenforceable cyclist licensing and insurance schemes dreamt up by those who think roads exist solely for use by BMWs and Audis.

papa smurf · 08-02-2015, 08:53

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Originally Posted by Kursk

Gawd, here we go again. Cyclists already pay tax; vehicle excise duty is not road (maintenance) tax.

Now, do you all really want to discourage cycling to the extent that potential cyclists buy cars instead and block up the roads even more than they are now and do you want kids getting fatter because cycling becomes unaffordable?

Both of these options will be of greater expense to you than the controls you would apply to cycling.

The Highway Code is seldom observed by any group using our roads...

there may come a time when the elf n safety brigade step in and ban cycling if the death toll keeps going up .

Derek · 08-02-2015, 08:54

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

i think if the gov passed a law that made cyclists obey the highway code then we could greatly contribute to cyclist safety this do what the hell you like because we are exempt approach is clearly not working .

Cyclists do come under the road traffic laws and they are enforced in areas. Of course having sod all traffic Police and general plod being stuck dealing with nonsense doesn't leave much room for enforcement.

heero_yuy · 08-02-2015, 08:55

And in other news: The Pope's a Catholic and bears poo in the woods.

Cyclists should think that if I can't see the driver then the driver can't see me.

Kursk · 08-02-2015, 08:56

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

there may come a time when the elf n safety brigade step in and ban cycling if the death toll keeps going up .

It is more likely that vehicles will be banned from City centres.

Derek · 08-02-2015, 08:56

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

there may come a time when the elf n safety brigade step in and ban cycling if the death toll keeps going up .

Of course....

techguyone · 08-02-2015, 08:58

Well Kursk, it's really quite simple. If you use the Highway, follow the code - how hard can it be?

If that's too hard, require cyclists to have their vehicle marked in some way (other roads users call this a licence plate) so when they do a big FUUUUUUU to everyone they're penalised like everyone else on the road who breaks the rules is.

So sick & tired of the entitled cyclists attitude, and if they all go and buy cars, fantastic, they're now enforceable just like the rest of us, if they try and drive like a lot of them cycle, they wont last too long.

I'm happy with that, it also has the added side effect of having one type of road user on the road, rather than the frankly dangerous multi role roads with all the dangers associated with.

Oh yes, I too have a cycle and go out on it from time to time too...

papa smurf · 08-02-2015, 09:09

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Originally Posted by Derek

Cyclists do come under the road traffic laws and they are enforced in areas. Of course having sod all traffic Police and general plod being stuck dealing with nonsense doesn't leave much room for enforcement.

i know Derek i was being sarcastic ,the problem has got out of control and a lack of police is certainly not helping

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Originally Posted by Kursk

It is more likely that vehicles will be banned from City centres.

because that would be good for business and the economy wouldn't it .

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

And in other news: The Pope's a Catholic and bears poo in the woods.

Cyclists should think that if I can't see the driver then the driver can't see me.

i was with you up to think -we all know thinking is not a cyclists strong point [sorry to stereo type but most of them qualify]

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Originally Posted by alferret

I agree, we drivers have to pay for our training, insurance, tax and mot.
Those who ride bikes on the road network need to spend some of their own money on training and more so insurance.

looking at my vehicle tax bill right now 6 months = £266.75 12 months= £485

i agree with you training + insurance + tax the rest of us have to do it