Police in training for 'Mumbai-style' gun attack in UK

[richard s]

I see this so called government are training every-day citizens to be terror alert specialists. I lot of good that will do if a terrorist wears an explosive vest under a big coat.

Does this government know something we do not know! by training people to be terror spotters or suspect a terrorist threat could be about to happen very soon.

[Taf]

Given out at UK railways stations today.

[Osem]

Do you think 'they' know something we don't?...

I'm not sure reading this would prevent the sort of people who'd panic from doing so but I suppose we have to be seen to be doing something. Anyway, I'll be doing what I did during the IRA years and not altering my movements one jot.

I dare say that right now the 'chain of command', decision making process and escalation procedure is being reviewed and shortened. Terrorists apart, nobody wants dithering to cost lives.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Chris

Realistically, how many more armed police squads would we need in order to have one on scene, anywhere, at any time, in under an hour?

Maybe not a huge increase in ARVs, that would give the Daily Record a heart attack, but a larger number of AFOs who can get fairly speedy access to weapons before relying on other areas or special forces.

Originally Posted by Chris

IIRC the Hereford boys are air-mobile, so it's not likely they're going to get snarled up on the M6 while someone hoses down Shopping City.

Assuming they are sitting poised and beside a chopper it's still a lot longer than I'd like. I'm fairly sure they aren't just all holed up in barracks but even a few squads spread over populated areas wouldnt come close to dealing with a Mumbai style attack before horrendous casualties were caused.

[Derek]

From Twitter

@UKResponseCop: Incident in Neighbouring Force. 3 Suspects armed with shotguns and crossbows. First ARV on scene took 29 MINUTES to arrive. #policefirearms

@UKResponseCop: To get FOUR armed officers on scene took 48 MINUTES. #policearming

@UKResponseCop: @patrolcop took over an hour to get six armed officers on scene but you get my point

Just as well the shotgun toting crims weren't on a spree. That's England in the middle of the day. Anyone still think the UK is ready for a Mumbai style incident?

[Osem]

Sadly it'll probably take a major incident to focus minds on the reality. At that point there'll likely be a media led outcry bemoaning the poor state of readiness of our authorities to tackle such incidents promptly and those persistent voices which always seem to decry every suggestion that our police might need more resources to tackle the threat we face will be silent, for a while...

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by richard s

I see this so called government are training every-day citizens to be terror alert specialists. I lot of good that will do if a terrorist wears an explosive vest under a big coat.

Does this government know something we do not know! by training people to be terror spotters or suspect a terrorist threat could be about to happen very soon.

I take it you think Milliband and his spend spend spend brigade have a better idea of what to do ?

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I take it you think Milliband and his spend spend spend brigade have a better idea of what to do ?

Interesting read for fans of "spend, spend, spend".

The coalition will leave more debt than all Labour governments since 1900.

He does appear to confuse debt and deficit.....

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Hugh

He does appear to confuse debt and deficit.....

Right enough, this is probably a better analysis.

"Eliminating the deficit: In 2010 Osborne promised that his austerity experiment would completely eliminate the budget deficit by 2015. In reality the UK is still borrowing £100 billion per year, meaning that he's failed to even halve the deficit.

Government debt: In 2010 Osborne predicted that the UK national debt would have reached £1.232 trillion by 2015. In reality it has risen to £1.489 trillion, which means he has borrowed £257 billion more than he said he would.

The size of the economy: In 2010 Osborne predicted that the UK economy would grow to £1.916 trillion by 2015, but in reality it is only £1.822 trillion, meaning that he's borrowed more than a quarter of a trillion more than he said he was going to, in order to make the UK economy almost £100 billion smaller than he said it was going to be.

Debt/GDP: In 2010 Osborne predicted that debt would peak at 67.2% of GDP in 2015 and then start falling. In reality the debt has reached 80.4% of GDP and it's still growing dramatically. This means that he's now overseen the longest sustained increase in the national debt since the Second World War!

The UK Credit Rating: Before he became Chancellor George Osborne staked his reputation on maintaining the UK's AAA Credit Ratings, but in 2013 the UK economy was downgraded for the first time since the 1970s.

Worse than Labour: George Osborne continually harps on about how Labour would threaten his "economic recovery" but what he doesn't tell you is that in just four years he's created more new debt than every single Labour government in history combined!"

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

They ran the same scenario about a dozen times and they did not survive any of them.

It doesn't take much insider knowledge to pick an ARV out in traffic or to lure one to a call, especially if the militants have any form of insiders within the UK Police. Sadly I'd imagine they are bright enough to start an attack with taking out an ARV.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Derek

It doesn't take much insider knowledge to pick an ARV out in traffic or to lure one to a call, especially if the militants have any form of insiders within the UK Police. Sadly I'd imagine they are bright enough to start an attack with taking out an ARV.

If you're wondering, I deleted my last post. Thought about it and decided it's better not said in open forum

[Hom3r]

I'm willing to bet in certain locations SAS are on stand by to double tap terrorists.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Right enough, this is probably a better analysis.

"Eliminating the deficit: In 2010 Osborne promised that his austerity experiment would completely eliminate the budget deficit by 2015. In reality the UK is still borrowing £100 billion per year, meaning that he's failed to even halve the deficit.

Government debt: In 2010 Osborne predicted that the UK national debt would have reached £1.232 trillion by 2015. In reality it has risen to £1.489 trillion, which means he has borrowed £257 billion more than he said he would.

The size of the economy: In 2010 Osborne predicted that the UK economy would grow to £1.916 trillion by 2015, but in reality it is only £1.822 trillion, meaning that he's borrowed more than a quarter of a trillion more than he said he was going to, in order to make the UK economy almost £100 billion smaller than he said it was going to be.

Debt/GDP: In 2010 Osborne predicted that debt would peak at 67.2% of GDP in 2015 and then start falling. In reality the debt has reached 80.4% of GDP and it's still growing dramatically. This means that he's now overseen the longest sustained increase in the national debt since the Second World War!

The UK Credit Rating: Before he became Chancellor George Osborne staked his reputation on maintaining the UK's AAA Credit Ratings, but in 2013 the UK economy was downgraded for the first time since the 1970s.

Worse than Labour: George Osborne continually harps on about how Labour would threaten his "economic recovery" but what he doesn't tell you is that in just four years he's created more new debt than every single Labour government in history combined!"

Gideon is no better than Gordon but yet their are still people that believe one is better than the other, fact is they're politicians not economic geniuses

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

I'm willing to bet in certain locations SAS are on stand by to double tap terrorists.

And that location will be no where near you Dave or anywhere near where us little people are

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

That is as may be Derek but the facts still stand that armed police do not represent much of a deterrent to the determined terrorist - especially those driven by martyrdom.

The statistics, together with the life experiences of anyone who lived through such scenarios attest to the fact.

Aren't our police armed anymore, have those wet liberals taken those little stick things of them

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Gideon is no better than Gordon but yet their are still people that believe one is better than the other, fact is they're politicians not economic geniuses

Clearly, according to these figures, Gideon appears to be better than Gordon (and every Labour Government in history) at creating debt.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Aren't our police armed anymore, have those wet liberals taken those little stick things of them

Any police I see are pretty well armed.