European Terror Attacks

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i dont like mummy

I'm not that keen on mine. either.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Pierre

No, I'm in favour of us being able to print, say and do anything we want within the law.

Regardless of how a certain section of society may perceive it.

So regardless of the possibility it'll likely lead to more killing of innocent people?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Russ

No firebombs (as per the example) or deaths suggests maybe they don't consider it as much of a jihad-worthy crime against Islam.

Yet

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Originally Posted by Russ

So regardless of the possibility it'll likely lead to more killing of innocent people?

Do you honestly believe that they are not going to kill any more innocent people if we never publish those cartoons again, because if you do then you are mistaken. They loth us with ever inch of the souls and no matter what we do they will continue to kill us in the name of there god and for any reason they think they can use. That's the way they see there religion any excuse to kill the unbelievers

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Russ

OK. So bringing it back to the original point are you going to be surprised if further attacks and killings on media outlets occur if the organisations increase their satire against Islam?

If you're allowed to praise something, then automatically you should be allowed to criticise it.

Strange that Muslims are only too ready to criticise and offend, but complain when the same is done about their behaviour. It gets suppressed by being called Islamophobia. Eg When non-Muslims complain about the imposition of halal produce does anything happen about it? Does anyone take any real notice?

There have been examples in THIS country when GROUPS of Muslims have set out to kill a random non-Muslim. What is their reasoning?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Do you honestly believe that they are not going to kill any more innocent people if we never publish those cartoons again, because if you do then you are mistaken. They loth us with ever inch of the souls and no matter what we do they will continue to kill us in the name of there god and for any reason they think they can use.

They're going to kill us because their religion says to.
They're going to kill us because we've made them look stupid on TV.
They're going to kill us because millions of people are making a stand against them
They're going to kill us because they're nutters.

They're going to kill us regardless.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Do you honestly believe that they are not going to kill any more innocent people if we never publish those cartoons again, because if you do then you are mistaken. They loth us with ever inch of the souls and no matter what we do they will continue to kill us in the name of there god and for any reason they think they can use. That's the way they see there religion any excuse to kill the unbelievers

So it's acceptable for us to do things that will deliberately provoke them?

Originally Posted by nomadking

If you're allowed to praise something, then automatically you should be allowed to criticise it.

Agreed 100%

[Taf]

The muslim world is a rainbow of different shades and types who really do hate each other. If the non-muslim world could stay out of their way, they would make a fairly good job of attempting genocide amongst themselves.

But it would appear that the non-muslim world is fair game under their "convert or be killed" policy. And also by the insane babblings of some of their religious leaders.

And when terror is exported to the non-muslim world, and attempts are made to stop them training for terrorism in muslim lands, both by the countries' leaders and "The West", it is seen as an attack against Islam.

That ramps up bad sentiment even more.

On both sides.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Taf

The muslim world is a rainbow of different shades and types who really do hate each other. If the non-muslim world could stay out of their way, they would make a fairly good job of attempting genocide amongst themselves.

But it would appear that the non-muslim world is fair game under their "convert or be killed" policy. And also by the insane babblings of some of their religious leaders.

And when terror is exported to the non-muslim world, and attempts are made to stop them training for terrorism in muslim lands, both by the countries' leaders and "The West", it is seen as an attack against Islam.

That ramps up bad sentiment even more.



On both sides.

[nomadking]

Their aims

Tension erupted over a two-day international rock concert at Istanbul Bilgi University in mid-July that kicked off just before Ramadan began. Just half an hour before the concert an alcohol ban was enforced by University authorities under pressure from the Islamist-rooted ruling AK Party.
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A woman dressed in religious garb interjected, "This is a predominantly Muslim area. So the ban was necessary out of respect for us."
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Influential Islamic intellectual Hayrettin Karaman sees voluntary segregation as a way to defuse tension over Istanbul's different ways of life. "Those who don't believe in Islam can freely live according to their own beliefs. But if this kind of living will negatively affect the life, morality, religiousness and the education of new Muslim generations, measures need to be taken to create 'special regions' for their improper actions," Karaman wrote August 12 in the Islamic Daily Yeni Safak.
"Now, we live with many people side by side in an apartment building, on a street, in a neighborhood, from gays to drunks, to unmarried couples," Karaman continued. "A Muslim won't like these actions, they hate them and if there is opportunity, he keeps the intention to correct and prevent these actions."

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Russ

OK. So bringing it back to the original point are you going to be surprised if further attacks and killings on media outlets occur if the organisations increase their satire against Islam?

Who had the people in the bakery offended, what doodles had they scribbled

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Who had the people in the bakery offended, what doodles had they scribbled

probably un-Islamic bread making

[Russ]

It was a French magazine, not a bakery

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

probably un-Islamic bread making

Well it was a Kosher bakery so you might have a point

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Originally Posted by Russ

It was a French magazine, not a bakery

Pay attention, if you did you'd notice them killing people regardless of what media outlet they subscribe to

[Ignitionnet]

Remember way back when, Russ, you mentioned me ascribing rationality to irrational actions? You're doing the same thing attributing cause and effect here I feel. For sure what Charlie Hebdo were doing painted them as a target but I worry that the bigger picture is that there are a whole series of targets and they were merely top of the list.

If it's not offending the prophet it's the actions of our armed forces. If it's not that it's daring to behave according to the laws of our lands in areas they claim to be Islamic. If it's not that....

There's always some excuse for these guys to behave as they do. The basic tenets of their religion are terrifying, which isn't surprising given where they came from.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Pay attention, if you did you'd notice them killing people regardless of what media outlet they subscribe to

I am paying attention, the attacks took place at a press outlet not a bakery, it's been all over the news in the past few days...

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Remember way back when, Russ, you mentioned me ascribing rationality to irrational actions? You're doing the same thing attributing cause and effect here I feel. For sure what Charlie Hebdo were doing painted them as a target but I worry that the bigger picture is that there are a whole series of targets and they were merely top of the list.

If it's not offending the prophet it's the actions of our armed forces. If it's not that it's daring to behave according to the laws of our lands in areas they claim to be Islamic. If it's not that....

There's always some excuse for these guys to behave as they do. The basic tenets of their religion are terrifying, which isn't surprising given where they came from

The fact is people seem to be in favour of responding to the killings in a way that has been proven to provoke a reaction. It seems like people are willing to pay the price of more killings as long as it means we show the nutters they can't stop our 'freedom of speech'.

Which, in anyone's language is ludicrous.