European Terror Attacks

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't really like our front pages tomorrow. Disappointing. Most of them all have a image of the police officer moments before he was shot. Not only is it tasteless but it's the wrong message to send. The best ones are either in Germany where they've reprinted the cartoons, France where they've cleared the front page to display a message of support, or 'The National' in Scotland which is displaying pictures of the people around Europe attending rallies.

The other British papers just went for the dramatic.

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The Independent led with a cartoon. Good for them.

I should imagine the pictures are chosen to show the callousness of the killers. Were the killers callous? Yes, so the pictures are more than justified.

[Russ]

Already conspiracies are floating around the internet about the whole incident - the fact the terrorists were masked and not immediately identifiable plus the "convenience" of one of them leaving an ID card in the car has led some people to compare it to how the passport of one of the 9/11 bombers was found under thousands of tonnes of rubble, and that the 3 people being sought are 'patsies'.

Or it could just be the French police and secret services have done their job well and fast...

[Osem]

Which goes to show that some people, maybe a lot, believe what they want to believe. Virtually every IS image I've ever seen has shown them masked - maybe the beheadings aren't happening, maybe they're all agents of the west, maybe it's all a plot to demonise Islam...

You only have to read and/or listen to the views of some people to realise that their minds are already made up and nothing we can do, no amount of reasoning or education after events such as this will alter that fact. These people are impervious to reason and are the ones who could well be joining the ranks of the extremists.

Some newspapers have been reprinting the cartoons albeit not on the front page.

The Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ophet-muhammad

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Damien

Some newspapers have been reprinting the cartoons albeit not on the front page.

I'm astounded at how many think it's appropriate to publish the last seconds of an injured man pleading for his life. Having the 'offending' cartoon prominently displayed would be far better IMO.

Seven people have been arrested.
There has been another shooting in Paris in which two police officers have been reported to have been hit.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/liv...s-live-updates

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Originally Posted by Derek

I'm astounded at how many think it's appropriate to publish the last seconds of an injured man pleading for his life. Having the 'offending' cartoon prominently displayed would be far better IMO.

That's what I thought. Internationally the headlines were much better. Many German ones did republish the cartoons on their front page, others did some sort of tribute. A comic would be most appropriate even if it's not the offending one.

This one from the sports newspaper L'Equipe is good:



or an image like this:

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't really like our front pages tomorrow. Disappointing. Most of them all have a image of the police officer moments before he was shot. Not only is it tasteless but it's the wrong message to send. The best ones are either in Germany where they've reprinted the cartoons, France where they've cleared the front page to display a message of support, or 'The National' in Scotland which is displaying pictures of the people around Europe attending rallies.

The other British papers just went for the dramatic.

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The Independent led with a cartoon. Good for them.

The National has its own particular interest in pushing the idea that rallies=popular support. Scots Nats still genuinely haven't got over the fact that big rallies in the middle of Glasgow didn't translate into a majority Yes vote last year. Given the reason that paper even exists, it's their motivation I find suspicious and slightly distasteful.

The rest of the British press has simply done what it does. There is plenty of time to chew over the implications for free speech and to show solidarity. The first editions after the massacre were always going to be about reporting the horror of what occurred, and rightly so.

[Gary L]

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Damien

No.

You go after the killers. You don't go after innocent Muslims.

Exactly.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by martyh

This is the trouble with discussing this subject on this forum ,people like you seem to think that because some don't advocate "all guns blazing executions" in reprisal that we are advocating "sitting idly by with our heads in the sand" .For every terrorist that is shot there may be ten more spring up because shooting said terrorist makes them a martyr which in a Muslims view will automatically dispatch them to Paradise and reagardless of what you think re Paradise it is what they think and believe that is important and must be understood fully in order to deal with them effectively

Originally Posted by Pierre

Why would it? You said that they would welcome death.

I say fine, give them what they want then.

I'm not advocating the death of innocents.

No don't kill them, that's too easy: There are plenty of drugs around that will turn them into gibbering, incontinent idiots for the rest of their lives. A shining example to their followers of the retribution that will be meted out to them as well.

Originally Posted by Damien

Some newspapers have been reprinting the cartoons albeit not on the front page.

The Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ophet-muhammad

Sun is running some of them on its editorial comment page 6.

[nashville]

This is terrible and could happen to any of our cities, So frightening

[Taf]

If acts of terrorism carried the death penalty, so should aiding and abetting, training and supporting terrorism. That might see a drop in the number of "supporters".

Including my niece in Paris who has been wailing on-and-on about "not all muslims are terrorists" until I replied "but most terrorists worldwide are muslims". She also seemed to defend the murder of the injured muslim policeman as not being "muslim against muslim" but "a terrorist against a policeman".

[Ignitionnet]

I see Tessa Jowell is leading the apologist charge and the UAF's response to the shootings was an immediate call for a rally.... against Islamophobia.

I think people really need to stop confusing 'liberal' Islam with 'Islam'. A strong case can be made that these guys were doing exactly what their religion required of them.

Most religions have things in them that are rather crazy in the context of modern times - this is why most mainstream don't take everything in their religion's holy books literally but see them as largely parable. Islam explicitly rejects this point of view.

I honestly don't understand what politicians' problem is, beyond that they are scared of losing the Islamic vote. Do they honestly believe the apologetic excrement they are spouting?

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Do they honestly believe the apologetic excrement they are spouting?

They probably "honestly believe the apologetic excrement they are spouting" will win them liberal muslim votes... and quite a few from the bleeding heart liberals too.

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Cherif and Said Kouachi, have reportedly barricaded themselves in a house in Crépy-en-Valois, around 80km north-east of Paris.

Originally Posted by Taf

If acts of terrorism carried the death penalty, so should aiding and abetting, training and supporting terrorism. That might see a drop in the number of "supporters".

Including my niece in Paris who has been wailing on-and-on about "not all muslims are terrorists" until I replied "but most terrorists worldwide are muslims". She also seemed to defend the murder of the injured muslim policeman as not being "muslim against muslim" but "a terrorist against a policeman".

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

Europol Report: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 99.6% that Aren’t