Should Ched Evans be allowed back into football

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

WHAT, will people say IF new evidence which wasn't seen at the trial, its on his website. And l have read it.

IF he wins the appeal, and his conviction is quashed, l can see lot of compo coming someones way

What IF the tooth fairy says he is innocent? Let's stick with the facts: he was convicted by a jury as per the law of this land.

Originally Posted by Russ

I'm guessing you're trolling just to be offensive. Nobody has ever suggested any sort of rape is 'nice' and it's pretty low of you to suggest they have.

Whereas rape is rape as you rightly say, there is a difference between someone having sex with a woman when she's too drunk to remember whether or not she consented, and when she is beaten up, forced to the floor and attacked.

The difference is intent. Can it be proven the former intended to take advantage? In case your habit of putting words in peoples' mouths returns I'll make it clear I'm not suggesting someone in that situation ought to be treated more leniently.

But there is still a difference.

ROAR!

Originally Posted by Pierre

To be fair, good point well made.

Thanks Pierre. Not sure we can get everyone to understand the points being made though...

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Well, I'm afraid our opinions differ. Rape is rape. You appear to feel that there are 'nice' rapes which make them acceptable.

I don't want to be vulgar but if someone buggered you whilst you were incapacitated would you think that you had been fair game?

Where did I say or appear to say I thought there were nice rapes, as a matter of fact I think there are nasty rapes and even nastier rapes, something which the justice system agrees with me on as not all rapists receive the same sentence upon conviction. Again where did I say she'd been fair game or blamed her in anyway for what had happened, it really is quite pointless discussing anything with you of you don't have the courtesy to reply to what's written, you may think these constant inferences and assumptions help your argument but all it really shows is that you're not up to an adult discussion.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

.......it really is quite pointless discussing anything with you of you don't have the courtesy to reply to what's written....

Talking of which.......I don't want to be vulgar but if someone buggered you whilst you were incapacitated would you think that you had been fair game?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Talking of which.......I don't want to be vulgar but if someone buggered you whilst you were incapacitated would you think that you had been fair game?

Can you point out where I said anyone including me would be fair game if incapacitated, if not why expect me to reply to an erroneous question

Play nicely and try to address the title of the thread please.Kindly leave out the flaming and baiting.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Can you point out where I said anyone including me would be fair game if incapacitated, if not why expect me to reply to an erroneous question

You didn't but this comment inferred that you has less/ little sympathy for the victim because she was incapacitated.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35748021-post60.html

[Hom3r]

Personally any player/sportsman/women convicted of serious crimes should be banned from playing their sports at any level.

If he was to be subsequently cleared of any crimes he should be allowed to compete in his sport.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

You didn't but this comment inferred that you has less/ little sympathy for the victim because she was incapacitated.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35748021-post60.html

No it didn't, just because I'm more forgiving of "mr" Evans because his crime didn't involve violence or forcing her doesn't mean I have little or no sympathy for his victim or indeed am that forgiving of him for that matter, just because he is one rung up on the ladder from knife wielding maniac rapist doesn't mean he still isn't a bit of a **** bag imo

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

No it didn't

Yes it did

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

No it didn't, just because I'm more forgiving of "mr" Evans because his crime didn't involve violence or forcing her doesn't mean I have little or no sympathy for his victim or indeed am that forgiving of him for that matter, just because he is one rung up on the ladder from knife wielding maniac rapist doesn't mean he still isn't a bit of a **** bag imo

Well, that's cleared that up then

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Yes it did

No it didn't, I realise it's panto season but I never mentioned having any level of sympathy for his victim in that post

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Originally Posted by Kursk

Well, that's cleared that up then

Best you go on the ignore list

The ignore list sounds like a very good idea.

[Pierre]

Beep, beep, this vehicle is reversing.

I'd feel a lot less forgiving if his victim had any recollection of him violating her

Ok, just explain, in English and small words what you mean by the above.

You'd feel a lot less forgiving to the rapist if the victim could remember what happened?

So you feel some level of forgiveness ( which isn't really yours to give but we'll ignore that bit) for him now?

But because his victim was incapacitated, and has little recollection of his actions you, by your own statement, forgive him a bit more.?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Beep, beep, this vehicle is reversing.



Ok, just explain, in English and small words what you mean by the above.

You'd feel a lot less forgiving to the rapist if the victim could remember what happened?

So you feel some level of forgiveness ( which isn't really yours to give but we'll ignore that bit) for him now?

But because his victim was incapacitated, and has little recollection of his actions you, by your own statement, forgive him a bit more.?

Yes that's about the size of it, if he'd been violent and she had been forced to relive her experience through memory I'd be a lot more inclined to join the lynch mob.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Best you go on the ignore list

Having sex with someone without their consent IS an act of violence but I entirely agree that I should be on your ignore list. You'll be safe there