Superhub 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey) - Page 4

Ignitionnet · 07-12-2014, 22:45

There's no reason to think 200Mb won't be available on the current Superhub hardware, however 300Mb won't be.

These tiers won't be released on 8 channel systems but 12-16 channels, with individual 8 channel Superhubs being allocated to 8 of those channels.

General Maximus · 08-12-2014, 09:53

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

They do offer 120 over the 4 channel modem

they sure do. I got my vmng300 back through the CEO's office when I got 100mbits and when they announced the speed doubling prog I was fully expecting them to say I can either stay on 100mbits or have a shub for 120mbits but a config dropped down for it and I had no probs getting full speed. I knew I would be pushing it with 152mbits which is why I let them send me a shub2. There was a thread going at the time where I posted all this but I can't be bothered to dig it up.

Pierre · 09-12-2014, 21:29

As mentioned in another, and also recently confirmed to me, that the next uplift will be to 300mb

General Maximus · 09-12-2014, 21:34

No way. 300mbits will be on docsis3.1 and they havent even started putting the infrastructure in place for that yet. The other thing to think about is the previous increases. In terms of % increase it wasnt a big jump going fron 100 to 120 and 120 to 152. They arent going to double the current top speed and go straight to 300mbits. To go with that they would also have to provide at least 20mbits upstream and they are still doing the work for that as well.

Pierre · 09-12-2014, 21:42

Just telling you what I was told, but it's a way off yet, as the extra capacity hasn't even been built into the Core yet. But that's what is coming.

Kushan · 09-12-2014, 21:53

Another doubling,perhaps. Be interesting if Virgin's tiers became 100/200/300.

Skie · 09-12-2014, 23:31

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Originally Posted by General Maximus

No way. 300mbits will be on docsis3.1

Perhaps eventually, but as Ignition says the next set of modems with 12-16 channels will be more than capable of handling those speeds.

qasdfdsaq · 10-12-2014, 00:10

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Originally Posted by Kushan

Another doubling,perhaps. Be interesting if Virgin's tiers became 100/200/300.

I wonder how the competition will react if that became the case...

Ignitionnet · 10-12-2014, 01:11

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Originally Posted by General Maximus

No way. 300mbits will be on docsis3.1 and they havent even started putting the infrastructure in place for that yet. The other thing to think about is the previous increases. In terms of % increase it wasnt a big jump going fron 100 to 120 and 120 to 152. They arent going to double the current top speed and go straight to 300mbits. To go with that they would also have to provide at least 20mbits upstream and they are still doing the work for that as well.

It'll be on DOCSIS 3, and 3.1-ready infrastructure has been going in for a little while.

EDIT: https://www.comhem.se/bredband/bredbandspaket

Equipment Compal CH7284E

That is a 16 downstream, 4 upstream home gateway. Newer DOCSIS 3 kit is 24 downstream, 8 upstream capable. Your 152Mb is being delivered on 300Mb-400Mb of capacity, 24 downstreams delivers 1.2Gb. More than enough for 300Mb.

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

I wonder how the competition will react if that became the case...

I doubt BT will react as far as FTTC goes at all. They have never had any interest in competing with Virgin on speed and aren't going to start.

The only things I expect to see from BT are a 100Mb/30Mb vectored FTTC product, which is on the roadmap anyway, and for the 250,00-ish largely taxpayer subsidised Openreach FTTP premises release of a 1Gb product.

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Originally Posted by Kushan

Another doubling,perhaps. Be interesting if Virgin's tiers became 100/200/300.

This would be equivalent to their peers in the rest of the UPC / Liberty Global family's products for next year and is quite achievable with relatively little investment.

Doubling the speed will increase usage by no more than 30-40%.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Just telling you what I was told, but it's a way off yet, as the extra capacity hasn't even been built into the Core yet. But that's what is coming.

Indeed. It's why the E6ks are there.

EDIT: It's worth mentioning that another member of the UPC/LGI family, UPC Romania, sell only 200Mb and 500Mb, and provide a 24 channel gateway for the 500Mb. VM are a different proposition to the rest of the group, most similar to Ireland, but doubling the download speeds is happening and massive upload capacity increases are a work in progress.

General Maximus · 10-12-2014, 09:52

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

doubling the download speeds is happening and massive upload capacity increases are a work in progress.

how very exciting

Sephiroth · 10-12-2014, 10:11

Will this all boil down to (e.g.) THENRY still being thankful for crap Youtube? Or will things get worse and he'll have no Youtube buffering?

The point I make is more serious than an amusing dig. Do VM actually take into account a loading profile when constructing all this? And what target for experience do they aim to achieve?

Ignitionnet · 10-12-2014, 10:39

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Will this all boil down to (e.g.) THENRY still being thankful for crap Youtube? Or will things get worse and he'll have no Youtube buffering?

The point I make is more serious than an amusing dig. Do VM actually take into account a loading profile when constructing all this? And what target for experience do they aim to achieve?

The YouTube stuff is a specific issue which isn't related to any speed upgrades. Tends to be either problems with private peering or connectivity to hosted CDN.

Any access network upgrades in terms of bandwidth will be largely irrelevant to the browsing experience. That's dependent more upon latency, loss, jitter and the construction of the websites.

If you watch a website load it's a ton of really small transactions. In the case of VM none of this will even register on the downstream shaper, so more about the transactions flowing smoothly rather than quickly.

The people doing the uplifts have as their only job to deliver capacity

muppetman11 · 17-12-2014, 19:46

What are VM doing at their cabs ? In our area all the cabs have had tents over them with everything removed from the cab and new equipment being fitted and lines reconnected.

Taf · 17-12-2014, 19:59

A cab I reported last week is still wide open.

General Maximus · 17-12-2014, 20:02

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

What are VM doing at their cabs ? In our area all the cabs have had tents over them with everything removed from the cab and new equipment being fitted and lines reconnected.

sweet, sounds like some beefy upgrades