'Muslim Plot' To Take Over Schools Investigated

[rhyds]

I don't think every Irish Catholic is a terrorist just because of the IRA...

Originally Posted by rhyds

I don't think every Irish Catholic is a terrorist just because of the IRA...

good for you although they only wanted an unified Ireland and not and end to everyone who is not Muslim but I have to admit I was a little nervous of paddys with a sports bag back in the 80s

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by rhyds

I don't think every Irish Catholic is a terrorist just because of the IRA...

And nor do I, but to compare the two is very silly.

The campaign by the IRA, was not religiously motivated, it was politcal, and it was very specific to the UK, and the UK alone.

The "global" threat that Islamic Extremism presents is a wholly different kettle of worms.

I'm no fan of Tizmeinnit, but if has has a distrust of Islam in general, he is entirely entitled to hold that view.

Forget all this "most muslims are peaceful people etc etc etc" Maybe. But I would also argue that "most" muslims do not approve of Western society, and they would be much happier if everywhere was more islamified. See Birmingham schools for example.

This intolerance of our society is only one skip away from extremeism, and this is what those trying to indoctrinate those into extremeism use.

I have a very deep mistrust of Islam and Muslims. I'm not a bigot, or stupid. I can see the global evidence and here at home, and my mistrust is entirely justified.

Originally Posted by Pierre

And nor do I, but to compare the two is very silly.

The campaign by the IRA, was not religiously motivated, it was politcal, and it was very specific to the UK, and the UK alone.

The "global" threat that Islamic Extremism presents is a wholly different kettle of worms.

I'm no fan of Tizmeinnit, but if has has a distrust of Islam in general, he is entirely entitled to hold that view.

Forget all this "most muslims are peaceful people etc etc etc" Maybe. But I would also argue that "most" muslims do not approve of Western society, and they would be much happier if everywhere was more islamified. See Birmingham schools for example.

This intolerance of our society is only one skip away from extremeism, and this is what those trying to indoctrinate those into extremeism use.

I have a very deep mistrust of Islam and Muslims. I'm not a bigot, or stupid. I can see the global evidence and here at home, and my mistrust is entirely justified.

no fan of you either but here we agree

Islam does seem to be the prominent threat at the moment but we will not solve the problem with ignorance, bigotry or hatred towards Islam and maybe if the west openly apologised and recognised the unmitigated disaster it has created throughout the last few decades it might be a good start. That said i do blame moderate Islam for not doing enough to fight extremism and one of my friends highlighted it not so long ago when extremists started attending his mosque he didn't stay and fight or confront them he moved to another mosque. They cannot have it both ways by condemning extremism within Islam and at the same time do little to fight it.

I do think we may have been more tolerant of extremism for too long allowing it to get more of a foothold then it should ever have been allowed.

[Ignitionnet]

I see The Guardian are trying to spin this into an attack on Gove.

Probably feeling a little sheepish over their months of denial that anything was up, going as far as their education correspondent going to the main school involved on an escorted visit and pronouncing everything as fine.

This comment hits the nail on the head there.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Islam does seem to be the prominent threat at the moment but we will not solve the problem with ignorance, bigotry or hatred towards Islam and maybe if the west openly apologised and recognised the unmitigated disaster it has created throughout the last few decades it might be a good start. That said i do blame moderate Islam for not doing enough to fight extremism and one of my friends highlighted it not so long ago when extremists started attending his mosque he didn't stay and fight or confront them he moved to another mosque. They cannot have it both ways by condemning extremism within Islam and at the same time do little to fight it.

I do think we may have been more tolerant of extremism for too long allowing it to get more of a foothold then it should ever have been allowed.

well that is never gonna happen

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Islam does seem to be the prominent threat at the moment but we will not solve the problem with ignorance, bigotry or hatred towards Islam and maybe if the west openly apologised and recognised the unmitigated disaster it has created throughout the last few decades it might be a good start.

I don't recall Al-Qaeda apologising for 9/11.

Which is what caused the start of the Afghanistan campaign, and which led into Iraq.

I do think we may have been more tolerant of extremism for too long allowing it to get more of a foothold then it should ever have been allowed.

agreed

9\11 is not excusable in anyway but how long had the west messed about with the middle east the UK has a portion of blame you reap what you sow and whilst many may not like it the west sowed a hell of a lot and is now reaping. I'm not excusing extremism but i'm also not forgetting this is a problem the west had a major hand in creating.

[Jimmy-J]

The peaceful majority are irrelevant.

http://youtu.be/Ry3NzkAOo3s

well if it really is 15 to 25 % that are extreme then that really is scary 180 to 320 million

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

9\11 is not excusable in anyway but how long had the west messed about with the middle east the UK has a portion of blame you reap what you sow and whilst many may not like it the west sowed a hell of a lot and is now reaping. I'm not excusing extremism but i'm also not forgetting this is a problem the west had a major hand in creating.

^
this

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

9\11 is not excusable in anyway but how long had the west messed about with the middle east the UK has a portion of blame you reap what you sow and whilst many may not like it the west sowed a hell of a lot and is now reaping. I'm not excusing extremism but i'm also not forgetting this is a problem the west had a major hand in creating.

Yes there have always been issues with Israel, ever since it was formed, and we share blame in that.

But to think that the problems in the Middle East are what gave rise to the global Islamic extremism is incorrect.

The potted history, You can trace the current issues back to the Russian Invasion of Afghanistan, where the USA practically funded an army put together by Bin Laden to fight the Russians.

After the Russians left, the USA pulled the plug. Then when Iraq invaded Kuwait Bin Laden wanted to fight the Iraqis as he thought that his Islamic army should deal the issue in their own back yard.

When Kuwait decided to put US, UK and other Western troops on the ground Bin Laden decided to wage a Jihad on the West.

The thing is, as is currently being played out in Syria/ Iraq, History dictates that Muslims are quite happy to wipe each other out. The trick is to get them to continue fighting each other and not bother with us.

Originally Posted by Russ

...whereas 'death to Gove' speeches seem to be almost encouraged

No he just needs smacking..

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I don't recall Al-Qaeda apologising for 9/11.

Which is what caused the start of the Afghanistan campaign, and which led into Iraq.

America, with help from allies, has been interfering in Arab and other Muslim countries for a long time. Forget invasions, it's more interfering behind the scenes on an unbelievable level. Pushing countries in to conflict with each other, arming rebels, organising coups and such is a small part of what they have been doing for a long long time.

America is more of a problem when it comes to world terrorism and breeding new terrorists with it's actions. Dragging other countries and regions like the UK in to it too. Muslim culture in some countries, often imported to the UK, is an issue too. Add America and Muslims together and we have something similar to Israel and Palestine.