How big are VM's infills?

[Ignitionnet]

Question to anyone who might know, how much infill are VM doing at the moment?

Can't help but notice there is a big gap in LS10, IE all of it, along with most of LS9, where the network stops abruptly.

I ask about scale as we're talking I would guesstimate 10-15,000 premises.

[spiderplant]

From http://point-topic.com/wp-content/up...ia-profile.pdf

Each year Virgin Media continues to add 30,000 to 40,000 new build and infill homes.

[Ignitionnet]

Thanks Sir though this doesn't really answer my question. These could be 30,000 premises where VM paid the developer more than BT so got the ducting, and/or they could be 100 different projects of 300/400 homes passed.

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Thanks Sir though this doesn't really answer my question. These could be 30,000 premises where VM paid the developer more than BT so got the ducting, and/or they could be 100 different projects of 300/400 homes passed.

I couldn't tell you the mix. There are a lot of small infills, such as individual streets or blocks of flats, and a few larger ones, but I don't expect areas the size of LS10 to be fully built from scratch.

There are some new builds in LS10 (e.g. LS10 1JF). I suspect these have been selected because there are existing VM Business customers nearby.

[Ignitionnet]

This is going to be escalated to see what, if anything, can be done. Thanks!

[on in an hour!]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Thanks Sir though this doesn't really answer my question. These could be 30,000 premises where VM paid the developer more than BT so got the ducting, and/or they could be 100 different projects of 300/400 homes passed.

VM has a budget per home passed for infil (at the moment C£350) this has been promised to be upped moving forward.
simply explained if the whole cost of expanding down a street that has ducting close by comes in on, or less than, £350 per house passed (and they have the capacity in the nearest cabinet) they will build it.
if they have to build a new cabinet then the price rises accordingly.
with this in mind a terraced street probably has more chance of infil than a cul-de-sac with only a few houses on it.
as regards the 'bidding war' you make mention of as to who gets the ducting that doesnt exist.
BT are duty bound to provide a line up to every new build home.
VM simply agree a price for the house builder to install the underground ducting as the development progresses and wire the properties as the houses get built.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by on in an hour!

VM has a budget per home passed for infil (at the moment C£350) this has been promised to be upped moving forward.
simply explained if the whole cost of expanding down a street that has ducting close by comes in on, or less than, £350 per house passed (and they have the capacity in the nearest cabinet) they will build it.
if they have to build a new cabinet then the price rises accordingly.
with this in mind a terraced street probably has more chance of infil than a cul-de-sac with only a few houses on it.
as regards the 'bidding war' you make mention of as to who gets the ducting that doesnt exist.
BT are duty bound to provide a line up to every new build home.
VM simply agree a price for the house builder to install the underground ducting as the development progresses and wire the properties as the houses get built.

You need to tell the major house builder I communicated with a couple of weeks back there is no bidding war, they seem somewhat confused on this matter in that they seem to think they sell the ducts to whomever pays them the most, whether BT, VM or an altnet.

As you may be aware the BT USO has a cost ceiling which a VM-only development will break.

[on in an hour!]

he may be talking about whether bt use him,at his price,to lay the duct for them or another contractor does it.
either way,as i said in my last post,bt are duty bound to supply a feed to each property.
the good thing for the homeowner is that vm may be in partnership with the housebuilder and they therefore have a choice of providers for their media services.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by on in an hour!

he may be talking about whether bt use him,at his price,to lay the duct for them or another contractor does it.
either way,as i said in my last post,bt are duty bound to supply a feed to each property.
the good thing for the homeowner is that vm may be in partnership with the housebuilder and they therefore have a choice of providers for their media services.

He was talking about who gets to provide the telecomms. Given he is the guy who makes these deals I would assume he has some idea what he is talking about.

Housbuilders and apartment block builders have some exclusivity. Until roads are adopted by the council they can tell BT to go forth same as any other code powers operator. There are estates and apartment buildings with no BT coverage at all.

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Anyway this has been escalated within VM. Not holding my breath but we will see what happens.

Could do with modern infrastructure next to the existing MATV Rediffusion style stuff on houses nearby. Yes really, wall mounted amps and splitters.

[on in an hour!]

try this link,may be helpful
http://www.choose.net/media/guide/fa...et-expand.html

[qasdfdsaq]

I'd love the option to pay to have VM expand down my street, but being about 65 miles from the nearest node and 125 miles from the nearest VM headend, I think the cost might be a bit prohibitive.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by on in an hour!

try this link,may be helpful
http://www.choose.net/media/guide/fa...et-expand.html

Indeed - email cablemystreet; may have already done that and had the obvious 'computer says no'.

Would rather get a comprehensive quote to the specific estate, then check on availability to the local area, then get the local MP involved to see what is possible via an incremental expansion to an area of a major city which was missed out in the initial build but would likely be good value in the longer term.

[Pierre]

That map is not accurate.

As some of the Middleton area is cabled, South of the Golf Course. The fibre ring has also been installed.

As the trunk fibre is already in place, buildong the node (if not already in place) and out from there shold be easy.

Just will come down to cost, sorry but I have no idea if it is planned, but the back bone is there, so it would certainly be a contender.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Pierre

That map is not accurate.

As some of the Middleton area is cabled, South of the Golf Course. The fibre ring has also been installed.

As the trunk fibre is already in place, buildong the node (if not already in place) and out from there shold be easy.

Just will come down to cost, sorry but I have no idea if it is planned, but the back bone is there, so it would certainly be a contender.

Pierre,

Thank you. Can you name me any roads where there is fibre infrastructure?

Ring Road Middleton, Middleton Park Road, Thorpe Lane A654?

Cost was looked into previously and it didn't seem good.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by on in an hour!

with this in mind a terraced street probably has more chance of infil than a cul-de-sac with only a few houses on it.

What about flats? Or are there issues in getting access from the leaseholders, in my case the Council? In my area,the main roads is cabled - the A219 aka Wimbledon Park Side - but not the nearby estate eg post codes SW19 6BZ, SW19 6DA, SW19 6DN. The estates contain far more people than a terraced street.
Ironically, the houses along the cabled A219 are large multi-million pound properties and spaced well away from each other and the road itself so cannot generate much custom per metre of cabling.