'Muslim Plot' To Take Over Schools Investigated

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Strange that we're forever being told that there are only a few extremists around, and yet this sort of thing is happening easily in various places. That suggests that there are an awful lot of extremists around, along with their supporters.

i tend to agree ,the question is just how much of this stuff is swept under the carpet to avoid public panic , i'll bet this is just the tip of a massive iceberg .

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Originally Posted by Qtx

Wonder if this was the case. I was thinking it was someone who got pushed out of their job or something like that, rather than say parents of pupils of the school. If all the staff are muslim then I suppose there is a good chance they were grassed up by a muslim. Without much info hard to say if it's due to revenge of some sort rather than not liking the radical direction the school had gone, with prospects of getting much worse.

listening to the Jeremy vine show yesterday it seems none Muslim staff were filtered out of the schools by promoting others into key positions .

Originally Posted by Qtx

Wonder if this was the case. I was thinking it was someone who got pushed out of their job or something like that, rather than say parents of pupils of the school. If all the staff are muslim then I suppose there is a good chance they were grassed up by a muslim. Without much info hard to say if it's due to revenge of some sort rather than not liking the radical direction the school had gone, with prospects of getting much worse.

This statement from Khalid Mahmood, Birmingham Perry Barr MP would suggest that the more moderate Muslims in the area kicked back at the idea of hardline Muslims changing the theology of what should have been secular schools

Khalid Mahmood, Birmingham Perry Barr, MP told Sky News: "I believe fundamentally there has been a serious bid by a very small minority trying to get under the radar against the wishes of the mainstream Muslim community."
Mr Mahmood said he had been told of the "bullying and harassment" of senior teaching staff and governors at some of the schools involved.
He said: "What they were trying to do is change the theological beliefs of the majority of the Muslim community into a more hardline belief for young people coming through

It is possible that one single aggrieved parent or teacher could have sparked it all off but i think it more likely to be the Muslim community itself .I know it's hard for some to understand but not every Muslim is an extremist/terrorist

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by martyh

Suggests exactly the opposite to me given that the trojan horse plan got grassed up by other Muslims .

was it?

Originally Posted by Pierre

was it?

apparently yes ,assuming the documents are real of course

[papa smurf]

Daves on the case

'Freedom, tolerance and respect for the rule of law and UK institutions': Cameron lays out 'British values' that will be taught in every school to stop radicalisation

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[Pierre]

Originally Posted by martyh

apparently yes ,assuming the documents are real of course

i haven't seen that. as far as i have read the whistleblower was a bloke called Keith townsend

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Daves on the case

'Freedom, tolerance and respect for the rule of law and UK institutions': Cameron lays out 'British values' that will be taught in every school to stop radicalisation

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nothing wr

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Daves on the case

'Freedom, tolerance and respect for the rule of law and UK institutions': Cameron lays out 'British values' that will be taught in every school to stop radicalisation

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nothing wrong with that

Originally Posted by Pierre

i haven't seen that. as far as i have read the whistleblower was a bloke called Keith townsend

From what i have read the documents where correspondence between 2 Muslim groups in different parts of the country ,one of which leaked the document to the authorities ,i know there is doubt as to the authenticity of the documents but they appear to be true given the OFSTED findings .Keith Townsend is reported to have backed up the claims made in the documents by his own experiences, apparently he made allegations back in 2010

[Qtx]

I think that is the problem martyh, not one newspaper is actually reporting that the trojan letters appear to be authentic and were correct. It's almost as if all the mainstream media have tiptoed around this fact to shout about radicalism instead when it is only a part of the story.

Even though there are stories about all this, it still feels like there is a cover-up or media have been forced not to print stories a certain way, much like the original blackout of that muslim pedo gang.

Must admit that is the first I heard that the letter was correspondence between two muslim groups. Details have been a bit sketchy of many parts of this. Seems instead of arresting people and digging deep to sort this problem out full and quickly, it has instead turned in to a political chess game between some....

Originally Posted by Qtx

I think that is the problem martyh, not one newspaper is actually reporting that the trojan letters appear to be authentic and were correct. It's almost as if all the mainstream media have tiptoed around this fact to shout about radicalism instead when it is only a part of the story.

Even though there are stories about all this, it still feels like there is a cover-up or media have been forced not to print stories a certain way, much like the original blackout of that muslim pedo gang.

Must admit that is the first I heard that the letter was correspondence between two muslim groups. Details have been a bit sketchy of many parts of this. Seems instead of arresting people and digging deep to sort this problem out full and quickly, it has instead turned in to a political chess game between some....

The city council and the Birmingham Mail have received documents which purport to show Jihadists are targeting schools and orchestrating false allegations against staff, including non-Muslims, in an operation dubbed Trojan Horse.

The documents claim to be leaked written correspondence from one Birmingham fundamentalist to another in Bradford and details plans to roll out Trojan Horse to Bradford as well as Manchester.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...t-take-6782881


I do agree that there seems to be a lot of tip toeing about regarding the original leaked documents ,as yet there is no confirmation of their validity one way or the other despite the OFSTED reports appearing support the leaked documents.

The leaked document could have been a attempt to force an investigation rather than a genuine document.

[Qtx]

Yeah, there were the initial reports but since then reporting has been different, in not a way I can easily describe. I still get the feeling there is more to tell but someone is trying to hide it from the public.

Thanks for the quote, I don't remember seeing it any of the mainstream media sites I read about it on but I may have missed it.

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Originally Posted by Damien

The leaked document could have been a attempt to force an investigation rather than a genuine document.

If it was, it's done it's job....I think. Although it's not exactly clear what will or has changed since.

Anyway the letter wasn't being investigated by Ofsted so as far as I know that's still ongoing as is the investigation from the counter-terrorist guy that Gove appointed.

[Osem]

A damning report into extremist infiltration of Birmingham schools has uncovered evidence of "coordinated, deliberate and sustained action to introduce an intolerant and aggressive Islamist ethos into some schools in the city".

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...ingham-schools

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Osem

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...ingham-schools

I think this is just the tip of the iceberg.

each day my views on Islam seem more and more justified