General : No Sky Atlantic on VM for a "long long time"...

[kop32]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Do you really think that people go to Sky just to get Sky Atlantic?

You have to understand that many of us on here have no wish to subscribe to Sky for various reasons, including the other things that VM have to offer. Why should we have to choose? Both operators ought to be able to show this material.

We want Sky Atlantic, or alternatively the HBO shows that are on there, to be available on Virgin Media.

If you want the content then surely you would expect to pay for it,why should Sky just say "there you are we've negotiated with HBO etc but you can have it for nothing,oh, and we don't want anything in return we just believe everyone should benefit on our behalf".......not going to happen IMO.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by kop32

If you want the content then surely you would expect to pay for it,why should Sky just say "there you are we've negotiated with HBO etc but you can have it for nothing,oh, and we don't want anything in return we just believe everyone should benefit on our behalf".......not going to happen IMO.

How on earth did you come to the conclusion that VM want Atlantic "for nothing"?

They pay for all the other Sky channels, so why wouldn't they pay a reasonable price for Atlantic?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Do you really think that people go to Sky just to get Sky Atlantic?

You have to understand that many of us on here have no wish to subscribe to Sky for various reasons, including the other things that VM have to offer. .

Exactly.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by kop32

If you want the content then surely you would expect to pay for it,why should Sky just say "there you are we've negotiated with HBO etc but you can have it for nothing,oh, and we don't want anything in return we just believe everyone should benefit on our behalf".......not going to happen IMO.

It's a Sky Basics channel, kop and VM have offered a reasonable price for it. I can't really see that there is much difference between Sky Atlantic and Sky One. I would have been just as cross if we were couldn't get programmes such as 'Fringe' and 'Strikeback' by being denied Sky One.

I would expect a lot more for a premium channel. ITV Encore might just meet that bill after its first year of broadcasting (if there are enough good quality home made dramas on it after the initial 12 months of repeats), and I would expect that VM would be able to add that to its line up after the initial period of Sky exclusivity.

I think potentially at least, ITV might be able to demonstrate to Sky what a genuine premium channel should aspire to in order to attract higher rates of income. Of course, if ITV fill their new channel with loads more reality programmes between the few good ones, they will merely be emulating the Sky methodology.

I thought the whole proposition with ITV Encore was to allow them to repeat all their top-kwalitee police procedurals and heartwarming dramas on an endless loop? Are they planning to make original drama for it as well?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Chris

I thought the whole proposition with ITV Encore was to allow them to repeat all their top-kwalitee police procedurals and heartwarming dramas on an endless loop? Are they planning to make original drama for it as well?

Yes, the first year of exclusivity to Sky will have repeats of ITV dramas and after that there will be new dramas aired on there. We don't know much more at the moment, this could be very good or it could be mediocre!

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, the first year of exclusivity to Sky will have repeats of ITV dramas and after that there will be new dramas aired on there. We don't know much more at the moment, this could be very good or it could be mediocre!

It's ITV. It'll be grand if you like that sort of thing, but personally I don't think I'll miss it ....

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's a Sky Basics channel, kop and VM have offered a reasonable price for it.

You keep making comments like this. Now maybe I've missed something, but I don't think you've any proof to back this statement up.

I understand you want the content from the channel, but I think you have to accept that it aint coming to a Tivo near you anytime soon. The sooner you realise that life isn't fair the better. Talking of Tivo, I'm sure there are plenty of people who'd love to have Tivo functionality on Sky, but the technology is exclusive to VM in the UK so it it won't happen. I'm also sure there are plenty of people who only want to subscribe to Sky and don't want to use VM for various reason (just like you don't want to deal with Sky), but would love to have 152 internet - but guess what VM don't seem to won't share it with Sky, so if they want what the other company is offering then they know what they've got to do.

I'm not saying who's right or wrong, just saying it as it is.

Flame retardant hat on!!

Cheers

Grim

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

You keep making comments like this. Now maybe I've missed something, but I don't think you've any proof to back this statement up.

I understand you want the content from the channel, but I think you have to accept that it aint coming to a Tivo near you anytime soon. The sooner you realise that life isn't fair the better. Talking of Tivo, I'm sure there are plenty of people who'd love to have Tivo functionality on Sky, but the technology is exclusive to VM in the UK so it it won't happen. I'm also sure there are plenty of people who only want to subscribe to Sky and don't want to use VM for various reason (just like you don't want to deal with Sky), but would love to have 152 internet - but guess what VM don't seem to won't share it with Sky, so if they want what the other company is offering then they know what they've got to do.

I'm not saying who's right or wrong, just saying it as it is.

Flame retardant hat on!!

Cheers

Grim

sky have a history of over charging as proved by Ofcom what more proof you want

Sky may well have given VM an outrageous offer price, but that's hardly uncommon in the world of commerce. I've had outrageous quotes from tradesmen in the past, it usually means they don't really want the job but they'll do it if you're stupid enough to pay.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Chris

Sky may well have given VM an outrageous offer price, but that's hardly uncommon in the world of commerce. I've had outrageous quotes from tradesmen in the past, it usually means they don't really want the job but they'll do it if you're stupid enough to pay.

that's more than likely

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Dave42

sky have a history of over charging as proved by Ofcom what more proof you want

So that's a no then. I'm not trying to be argumentative, it's just these statements keep being made in a manner that implies an element of underlying fact. In reality the truth is there may be no more fact than the ramblings of the drunk propping up the bar in your local pub. Don’t get me wrong – I’d be as happy as anyone if VM could offer everyone a complete package, but I’m a realist and accept that’s very unlikely to happen (notice I didn't say never).

Cheers

Grim

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

So that's a no then. I'm not trying to be argumentative, it's just these statements keep being made in a manner that implies an element of underlying fact. In reality the truth is there may be no more fact than the ramblings of the drunk propping up the bar in your local pub. Don’t get me wrong – I’d be as happy as anyone if VM could offer everyone a complete package, but I’m a realist and accept that’s very unlikely to happen (notice I didn't say never).

Cheers

Grim

hic!

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

You keep making comments like this. Now maybe I've missed something, but I don't think you've any proof to back this statement up.

I understand you want the content from the channel, but I think you have to accept that it aint coming to a Tivo near you anytime soon. The sooner you realise that life isn't fair the better. Talking of Tivo, I'm sure there are plenty of people who'd love to have Tivo functionality on Sky, but the technology is exclusive to VM in the UK so it it won't happen. I'm also sure there are plenty of people who only want to subscribe to Sky and don't want to use VM for various reason (just like you don't want to deal with Sky), but would love to have 152 internet - but guess what VM don't seem to won't share it with Sky, so if they want what the other company is offering then they know what they've got to do.

I'm not saying who's right or wrong, just saying it as it is.

Flame retardant hat on!!

Cheers

Grim

At last someone not living in cloud cuckoo land. Well said that man

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Itshim

At last someone not living in cloud cuckoo land. Well said that man

Thanks, just wish I didn't have to keep coming across as a miserable so and so.

Cheers

Grim

[harry_hitch]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Thanks, just wish I didn't have to keep coming across as a miserable so and so.

Cheers

Grim

Your post was fair enough Grim. All businesses operate in the same way. Waitrose stock an exclusive tomato variety (Red Choice and it is delicious) and have recently had a 6 month exclusivity contract for Warburtons (the bread makers) new cake range too. I am sure all other supermarkets have similar arragements with many different suppliers. Debenhams have clothing manufacturers I have only ever seen in Debenhams and nowhere else. VM could just as easily give away their broadband, but why should they? VM could also get an exclusive channel for content from another country, but they don't want to go into content.

Whilst I am not the biggest Sky fan, they do know how to run a business effectively and extract the maximum amount profit they can. The fact they have been so successful for so long goes in some very minor way to substantiating that point.