VM required to share infrastructure as of 2016

[Ignitionnet]

Answering an earlier point:

Originally Posted by Pierre

Which bit, the bit that states that co-ordination of Street works ( civils) has been in operation in the UK for 23 years.

Which means the bit about other operators jumping in and laying ducts adj other operators infrastructure when they are installing and/or repairing their network has been available in all that time but never taken advantage of.

The key part here is:

Network operators will have the right to negotiate agreements on the coordination of civil works with telecoms operators for the purpose of broadband deployment.

If no agreement on such civil work coordination is reached within one month, any party can refer the issue to the competent national dispute settlement body. While the parties must cooperate fully with the dispute settlement body, any party also has the possibility to refer the case to a court.

On a one-to-one basis between operators and altnets rather than between code power operators and local authorities.

Given your incapability to accept being wrong I have better things to do than continue discussing this with a brick wall, though to answer your question yes, PIA has been used.

EDIT: Incidentally the first trial of PIA involved Virgin Media. Fujitsu deployed the network, VM provided the services over it. Greasby in the Wirral. Given you asked it was worth mentioning. Unfortunately the numbers didn't add up as Fujitsu's BDUK bid as part of a consortium with Virgin Media was an 'all or nothing' bid which couldn't work as BDUK was a series of local authority bids rather than a single large tender. PIA was going to be used for that had it come through, hence the trial of PIA and delivering services over an FTTP network at Greasby.

[Pierre]

Given your incapability to accept being wrong

Matched only by your incapability to accept reality.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Matched...

Do you think the new legislation is an opportunity for VM to expand its network using the ducting of other utilities?

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Do you think the new legislation is an opportunity for VM to expand its network using the ducting of other utilities?

They've already looked into it and tested it both using BT's passive infrastructure with fibre on their poles / in their ducts and Surf Telecom, using the electricity network's pylons and poles:

http://www.publications.parliament.u...80/580we13.htm

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Do you think the new legislation is an opportunity for VM to expand its network using the ducting of other utilities?

Nope. Because the " new" legislation, doesn't really offer anything " new".

It's been tried before.

I wouldn't rule out revisiting the Western Power model again. But I wouldn't like to day when. Or if.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

They've already looked into it and tested it both using BT's passive infrastructure with fibre on their poles / in their ducts and Surf Telecom, using the electricity network's pylons and poles:

http://www.publications.parliament.u...80/580we13.htm

Since LG have been involved they have stopped everything that they were doing with 3rd parties including piggy backing anything BT.

Their view is that any network expansion will be expansion of their own network. Sirius May be able to confirm but may be subject to a NDA

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Top banana

Since LG have been involved they have stopped everything that they were doing with 3rd parties including piggy backing anything BT.

Their view is that any network expansion will be expansion of their own network. Sirius May be able to confirm but may be subject to a NDA

You're correct, LGI have stopped the project to use the BT network off-net. A la ...everybody else. As it doesn't give us a USP.

However the above project, the Western power one, and a similar project was explored with SSE, is expanding the VM network.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

However the above project, the Western power one, and a similar project was explored with SSE, is expanding the VM network.

So, to clarify, are the Western Power and SSE projects still continuing then?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

So, to clarify, are the Western Power and SSE projects still continuing then?

Not as far as I know, but they are not totally dead in the water