'Muslim Plot' To Take Over Schools Investigated

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Qtx

Why do you think this needs a whole dedicated class? People have misconceptions about many things, we don't have a dedicated class for each of them.

How many of these 'things' you speak of have such strong defining connections to history and society today? How many have or had some form of influence in almost everything we do?

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Russ

How many of these misconceptions you speak of have such strong defining connections to history and society today? How many have or had some form of influence in almost everything we do?

How often do you answer a question with a question? Answer some of my questions and i'll answer yours

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

This whole thread really underlines why I think religion should be left at the school gates

Is that going in. or coming out?

Originally Posted by Qtx;35690183[B

]Why do you think this needs a whole dedicated class? [/B] People have misconceptions about many things, we don't have a dedicated class for each of them. Should we start having lessons dedicated to misconceptions of cults?

Religions are just cults that have more people following them when you break it down to it's basics. If half the world were Scientology followers then that would be considered ok and we would be debating if the followers could wear Darth Vader masks (whatever their thing is) in public facing jobs. That may sound strange but that is exactly what we do with older, more established religions.

Because of what you have just written .To equate Christianity ,Islam,Judaism etc to cults makes it clear that you have little or no understanding of religion and what it is ,that is the fault of the education system as much as yours so not a personal dig .

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Qtx

How often do you answer a question with a question? Answer some of my questions and i'll answer yours

In order for me to answer the first question I need you to qualify the sentence that followed it.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

To equate Christianity ,Islam,Judaism etc to cults makes it clear that you have little or no understanding of religion and what it is

The difference being just a 'God'?

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by martyh

Because of what you have just written .To equate Christianity ,Islam,Judaism etc to cults makes it clear that you have little or no understanding of religion and what it is ,that is the fault of the education system as much as yours so not a personal dig .

Explain a little clearer please. I had RE lessons while I was at school, so obviously RE lessons don't do what you would personally like them to do.

Christianity, Islam, Judaism are just cults that took hold many years ago and have a lot of followers. Are you saying this is not true? If so, explain why.

Personally I think people should be allowed to follow their belief in a religion, no matter what I feel about them. Just against having religion in schools.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Qtx

Explain a little clearer please. I had RE lessons while I was at school, so obviously RE lessons don't do what you would personally like them to do.

What, educate you about religions of the world?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Qtx

Explain a little clearer please. I had RE lessons while I was at school, so obviously RE lessons don't do what you would personally like them to do.

I went to Sunday School.

do they still do Sunday Schools?

Christianity, Islam, Judaism are just cults that took hold many years ago and have a lot of followers. Are you saying this is not true? If so, explain why.

That's actually a good point. all started as cults.
todays cult could be the next big thing.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Russ

What, educate you about religions of the world?

No, we are talking about concepts of religion, not the history of individual religions. Helps if you read the posts so you can understand the conversation.

Passive aggressive questions don't really add much substance to your views.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

That's actually a good point. all started as cults.
todays cult could be the next big thing.

It's really that simple

Originally Posted by Qtx

Explain a little clearer please. I had RE lessons while I was at school, so obviously RE lessons don't do what you would personally like them to do.
.

RE lessons have always been a bit of a joke lesson ,only there because the law says they have to be .If religion was taught at schools more seriously then there would be a better understanding of how religion influences all our lives .

Christianity, Islam, Judaism are just cults that took hold many years ago and have a lot of followers. Are you saying this is not true? If so, explain why

There is imo a clear difference between a religion and a cult .A religion influences society ,sets laws and moral boundaries ,cults are generally just an offshoot of a mainstream religion like Christianity

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Qtx

It's really that simple

I'm the intelligent one

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by martyh

There is imo a clear difference between a religion and a cult .A religion influences society ,sets laws and moral boundaries ,cults are generally just an offshoot of a mainstream religion like Christianity

Thanks for attempting to answer this.

So if we let a cult start setting laws and influencing out life's, then it becomes a religion. I am sure you would rebound in horror if Scientology became more influential in politics and thus became more accepted as religion in the way of Christianity. That is my view on current religions. They should not have anything to do with the state, laws or my daily life. I am not religious so why should these things be allowed to dictate my life? They shouldn't.

But what you say boils down to what I said, a religion is a cult that has got accepted in to society enough to interfere with the politics of the world.

Yes we should have a moral code and some get it from religion. I understand that. What I don't understand is how intelligent people believe in any of the gods from any of the main religions. Yes there is strong evidence to show that Jesus existed was a real person that was written about but if anyone said they were the son of god today, no one would believe them. That is because we are more educated than those in the past.

So teach kids about religion as part of history, just not as a separate lesson. If parents want to teach their kids, let them do it. It would be good if religion wasn't forced upon kids but there is no way to police this.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I'm the intelligent one

Fine line between genius and insanity

Originally Posted by Qtx

Thanks for attempting to answer this.

So if we let a cult start setting laws and influencing out life's, then it becomes a religion. I am sure you would rebound in horror if Scientology became more influential in politics and thus became more accepted as religion in the way of Christianity. That is my view on current religions. They should not have anything to do with the state, laws or my daily life. I am not religious so why should these things be allowed to dictate my life? They shouldn't.

The thing to understand is that society develops around a particular religion ,most of our own laws ,traditions and our general way of life is a direct result of how Britain embraced Christianity ,other countries develope according to the religion they adhere to .Cults can never become a religion in that sense ,some do become large and gain the status of a religion Scientology being one such case although it still has a long way to go to be fully accepted

So teach kids about religion as part of history, just not as a separate lesson. If parents want to teach their kids, let them do it. It would be good if religion wasn't forced upon kids but there is no way to police this.

Religion today is a massive part of our lives with the sudden introduction of Islam into our communities ,this thread is proof that there are problems with the integration of different religions as there always has been throughout history so i see RE as even more important than ever before

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Russ

If they come to your house they are not forcing anything - you have given an implied right of access unless you have stated otherwise. In any case I've never heard of anyone having someone come to their door and telling them their beliefs are "wrong". That sounds more like a stereotype used by anti-religionists.

If they come in your house they cannot be accused of forcing anything on you.



If a child is being brought up to be a Manchester United fan are the parents 'forcing' that on them? If not where do you draw the line?

funnily enough my son accused me of trying to force him to adopt my team, I had a clear and frank discussion with him that his choice of employment, sexual orientation, partner, religion, political choice or lunch where entirely up to him but if he ever supports anyone other than the hammers then his sister kops the lot.