'Muslim Plot' To Take Over Schools Investigated

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I was always of the opinion that schools are there to educate so why have prayers at assembly what is the point of prayers at assembly ?

If a religion is part of a school's ethos then it's common sense that prayers should be part of their day. I disagree that anyone be made to actually pray, so if they prefer to just stand there while those that want to take part can do so then fine.

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Originally Posted by orangebird

KSA (where I now live), is the home of Islam. And believe me, those in charge are very fundamental and their beliefs are very extreme. Islam is NOT a moderate religion. If you get 'moderate' muslims, it's because they CBA to do all that the Quran says. It's hard for me to describe how scary this actually is. My husband once said to me that muslims will take over the world. I laughed at this and told him to sod off. However, I find this possibility now very real, maybe not in mine, my children's or grandchildrens' lifetime (thank goodness). But it will happen. They're the only ones tenacious enough frankly. The UK needs to put a thumb on this now.

In the Arab states indeed it's a very different society. Over here however, there is enough in place to ensure that Muslims don't "take over". This investigation for example.

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

In theory a state school is not permitted to use religion as a criteria when selecting at very least teaching staff. The interviewer is not permitted to ask the interviewee what, if any, religion they adhere to.

Unsure if this applies to private schools also, I would presume it does as employment law remains the same.

I'm sure that's true but it's not what I was saying - if a member of that school has circumstances or behaviour that is considered against the nature of the school you can then understand how issues can arise.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Russ

If a religion is part of a school's ethos then it's common sense that prayers should be part of their day. I disagree that anyone be made to actually pray, so if they prefer to just stand there while those that want to take part can do so then fine.

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In the Arab states indeed it's a very different society. Over here however, there is enough in place to ensure that Muslims don't "take over". This investigation for example.

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I'm sure that's true but it's not what I was saying - if a member of that school has circumstances or behaviour that is considered against the nature of the school you can then understand how issues can arise.

Or maybe those not religious could sing Hell Bells or something similar instead to pass the time

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

When I was at school they used to sing hymns as well. That was until a faction decided it was a laugh to sing VERY loudly and VERY flat.

Sounds like the birth of 'direct action'...

Originally Posted by Sirius

I was always of the opinion that schools are there to educate so why have prayers at assembly what is the point of prayers at assembly ?

It's the law ,every state school must provide "broadly Christian" acts of collective worship on a daily basis ,admittedly most schools to my knowledge do not adhere to that law as strictly as they used to when i was at school ,nevertheless because we are still a Christian society it is still the law

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...00114-2010.pdf

https://humanism.org.uk/education/pa...s-your-rights/

Originally Posted by Sirius

I was always of the opinion that schools are there to educate so why have prayers at assembly what is the point of prayers at assembly ?

Because, in the broadest sense, the school should reflect the community it serves and not be co-opted as an agent of change. The law about acts of worship was put in place in order to prevent schools becoming a place where liberal hand-wringers could try to exert a secularising influence on society.

Of course, if society has changed, there then is an argument for the law to change. But changes should follow society, not lead it, and should not be rushed, as the temporary ebb and flow of fashion is not the same thing as deep, permanent change in cultural attitudes to religion.

[Ignitionnet]

Be interesting to see if changes do follow society, should it continue in its current direction.

Results of the 30th British Social Attitudes Survey (BSA) have been released today, with 48% of respondents claiming that they do not belong to a religion. The report shows that in 1983, around two in three people (68%) considered themselves to belong to one religion or another; in 2012, only around half (52%) do so. The increase in the non religious is almost entirely mirrored by a decline in the proportion of people who describe themselves as belonging to the Church of England, down from 40% in 1983 to just 20% now.

[greeninferno]

Originally Posted by orangebird

KSA (where I now live), is the home of Islam. And believe me, those in charge are very fundamental and their beliefs are very extreme. Islam is NOT a moderate religion. If you get 'moderate' muslims, it's because they CBA to do all that the Quran says. It's hard for me to describe how scary this actually is. My husband once said to me that muslims will take over the world. I laughed at this and told him to sod off. However, I find this possibility now very real, maybe not in mine, my children's or grandchildrens' lifetime (thank goodness). But it will happen. They're the only ones tenacious enough frankly. The UK needs to put a thumb on this now.

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No, but they'll take you to court for practising black magic. Especially if you're Ethiopian.

This is predicated on what exactly?

military might?

sheer size of population?

[broadbandking]

Muslims want everyone too covert or live by theirs rules and this is just another way they can try and do this, I don't have a problem with my child been taught RE but I don't want it forced on him like Muslims try to do, and before anyone says I am racist or Anti Muslim I am anti religion and wouldn't want any religion forced on my child.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by greeninferno

This is predicated on what exactly?

military might?

sheer size of population?

Tenacity, unwavering belief, and non Islamic countries being to scared to tell them to bugger off. It's not scientific, it's purely an opinion on a possibility. Which, now living 70kms from Mecca, I firmly believe it is possible.

[weenie]

Originally Posted by broadbandking

Muslims want everyone too covert or live by theirs rules and this is just another way they can try and do this, I don't have a problem with my child been taught RE but I don't want it forced on him like Muslims try to do, and before anyone says I am racist or Anti Muslim I am anti religion and wouldn't want any religion forced on my child.

RE is taught at my son's school but the school does give a choice and if you do not your child involved for example there is a boy who is a Jehvovah witness and he does not get involved with the Christmas play etc and that is fine, I do not think religion should be forced on anyone.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by weenie

RE is taught at my son's school but the school does give a choice and if you do not your child involved for example there is a boy who is a Jehvovah witness and he does not get involved with the Christmas play etc and that is fine, I do not think religion should be forced on anyone.

Interesting post. Have another read of it. The boy is a Jehovah's Witness so doesn't get involved with many things that are actually more cultural than religious things now.

Really the boy is no more a Jehovah's Witness than he is a Labour, Conservative or UKIP voter. His parents are and are forcing their beliefs on him.

That's a debate for another time though, whether offending a parents' beliefs is an adequate reason for wanting exemption from their children. I have certainly never restricted my daughter from any activity, secular or religious, as it's important for her to try everything and at no point have I attempted to impress my own secularism or humanism on her. She can make up her own mind when she chooses to.

Originally Posted by weenie

RE is taught at my son's school but the school does give a choice and if you do not your child involved for example there is a boy who is a Jehvovah witness and he does not get involved with the Christmas play etc and that is fine, I do not think religion should be forced on anyone.

Good job it isn't then isn't it

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Really the boy is no more a Jehovah's Witness than he is a Labour, Conservative or UKIP voter. His parents are and are forcing their beliefs on him..

Wrong ,the parents are bringing the child up as they see fit as is their right ,as was the right of your parents .Saying that parents force religion on children is like saying that parents force children to go to school or force children to behave themselves

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

Wrong ,the parents are bringing the child up as they see fit as is their right ,as was the right of your parents .Saying that parents force religion on children is like saying that parents force children to go to school or force children to behave themselves

So what you're saying is that he chooses to go to school. and he chooses to behave himself.

or are you agreeing, but saying that it is part of bringing the child up?

Originally Posted by Gary L

So what you're saying is that he chooses to go to school. and he chooses to behave himself.

or are you agreeing, but saying that it is part of bringing the child up?

It's too complicated for you to understand so i'll not bother explaining

[Gary L]

So it's the second one then.