The state benefits system mega-thread.

[weenie]

To have to wait six months or more to find out if they you are eligible is a disgrace IMO not to mention the stress this could cause, and some illnesses could be made worse through the added stress...

[denphone]

Atos ‘misled ministers’ to win lucrative contract assessing disabled for benefits.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9206278.html

[weenie]

Originally Posted by denphone

Atos ‘misled ministers’ to win lucrative contract assessing disabled for benefits.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9206278.html

Not in the least bit surprised, they lie saying the ill are fit to work adding more stress to the sick and vulnerable people of our society, I am not saying that you don't get benefit cheats of course you do, but they have declared people fit for work who clearly were not. They lie end off...

[peanut]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

It constantly amazes me after six decades of the NHS with comprehensive care for all, how many people are so "sick" they cannot do a days honest work.

I'm sure I can do a good honest days work, hell I'd say I might even risk or manage to do Two. Beyond that it might start to get a bit dodgy.

Stupid comment.

[denphone]

l was not born sick but became sick through no fault of my own and unless l have a heart transplant then my illness is terminal but l have never wanted sympathy from anybody but it would be nice if some people got rid of their prejudices and understand that for many everyday is a battle to get through but there again we can't expect the uneducated or prejudiced to understand that can we.

There are some people claiming sickness benefit that shouldn't be as during the last government many were put onto IB by job centres looking to manipulate figures encouraged by the then government. Sadly Hero there are a great many people who cannot work whether you choose to believe it or not and not because of lifestyle choices or even self inflicted. Medicine has a greater understanding of many illnesses that in the past would have been ignored or covered by medication drastically shortening the lives of those affected. Progress has a lot of pluses and a few downsides but don't worry this coalition is doing it's best to demonize to the point many leave the longterm benefit they were on and go play the merry go round game bit less money but no hassle, no medicals and because they are perpetuately classed as short term they don't impact the figures as much.

Originally Posted by weenie

Not in the least bit surprised, they lie saying the ill are fit to work adding more stress to the sick and vulnerable people of our society, I am not saying that you don't get benefit cheats of course you do, but they have declared people fit for work who clearly were not. They lie end off...

No they don't

Just because some people don't get the decision they want doesn't make ATOS liars

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by martyh

[/B]No they don't

Just because some people don't get the decision they want doesn't make ATOS liars

do you think they never lie?

Originally Posted by denphone

l was not born sick but became sick through no fault of my own and unless l have a heart transplant then my illness is terminal but l have never wanted sympathy from anybody but it would be nice if some people got rid of their prejudices and understand that for many everyday is a battle to get through but there again we can't expect the uneducated or prejudiced to understand that can we.

Problem is though Den that too many on here label people uneducated and prejudiced simply for disagreeing or looking at things slightly differently.

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Originally Posted by dilli-theclaw

do you think they never lie?

I think people think they do when they don't get the decision they want .

What is the point in ATOS telling lies ? ATOS have nothing to gain,so it is idiotic to suggest that the company has a policy of lying

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by martyh

Problem is though Den that too many on here label people uneducated and prejudiced simply for disagreeing or looking at things slightly differently.

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I think people think they do when they don't get the decision they want .

What is the point in ATOS telling lies ? ATOS have nothing to gain,so it is idiotic to suggest that the company has a policy of lying

I didn't say the company has a policy of lying.

I asked you if you think they never lie?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by martyh

Problem is though Den that too many on here label people uneducated and prejudiced simply for disagreeing or looking at things slightly differently.

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion but that opinion should be formed from listening to both sides and understanding things and not from some listening to what some prejudiced politicians or journalists spout because they generally twist things to suit their own agendas be it from the right wing or left wing of the political divide.

Originally Posted by dilli-theclaw

I didn't say the company has a policy of lying.

I asked you if you think they never lie?

Weenie did

but just for you i don't think they do as i just said what would be the point

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by martyh

Weenie did

but just for you i don't think they do as i just said what would be the point

For example the tester could just not like the person he is testing and lie.

Same as the testee could just lie about what happened.

I'm sure the on occasion the ATOS people lie it's inherent to human nature.

To suggest that anyone doing work for ATOS will NEVER lie is just odd.

Originally Posted by denphone

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion but that opinion should be formed from listening to both sides and understanding things and not from some listening to what some prejudiced politicians or journalists spout because they generally twist things to suit their own agendas be it from the right wing or left wing of the political divide.

As i said ...ON THIS FORUM ...having a different opinion to those on disability gets us labelled as uneducated or ignorant

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by martyh

As i said ...ON THIS FORUM ...having a different opinion to those on disability gets us labelled as uneducated or ignorant

....by some, not everyone.

Just the same as on this forum - some (not all) assume that all on benefits / disability or not are just scroungers.