General : Traffic Management Update

[BenMcr]

Removal of the downstream management hasn't got anything to do with how many people are leaving or not

Anyway, VM had a net increase of customers last year, not a decrease

[General Maximus]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Removal of the downstream management hasn't got anything to do with how many people are leaving or not

of course it has, VM have been screwing customers with stm for years despite how vocal people have been about it. The whole press release crap about "we have listened to our customers bla bla bla" is rubbish. VM will only do something if it is in their interests to do it. If they can afford to erradicate downstream stm altogether then surely they can afford to chop upstream in half if they are determined to leave p2p shaping in effect.

[Risco]

Originally Posted by General Maximus

of course it has, VM have been screwing customers with stm for years despite how vocal people have been about it. The whole press release crap about "we have listened to our customers bla bla bla" is rubbish. VM will only do something if it is in their interests to do it. If they can afford to erradicate downstream stm altogether then surely they can afford to chop upstream in half if they are determined to leave p2p shaping in effect.

For most people the traffic management was almost transparent. Only the 5% heavy users would be the ones leaving because of this and I say good riddance to them.

[Kabaal]

Originally Posted by Risco

For most people the traffic management was almost transparent. Only the 5% heavy users would be the ones leaving because of this and I say good riddance to them.

The upstream traffic management affects pretty much anyone who uploads anything. The caps are tiny for this day and age and the speeds it makes you crawl at are simply so low that it makes it impossible for anyone to be a 'heavy user'. 500KB/s on their top end packages practically during all waking hours at the weekends? Don't make me laugh... heavy users... no one can be a heavy user at those speeds.

[broadbandking]

Originally Posted by General Maximus

of course it has, VM have been screwing customers with stm for years despite how vocal people have been about it. The whole press release crap about "we have listened to our customers bla bla bla" is rubbish. VM will only do something if it is in their interests to do it. If they can afford to erradicate downstream stm altogether then surely they can afford to chop upstream in half if they are determined to leave p2p shaping in effect.

You tell me how ANY company doesn't try and screw its customers.

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I think the move is great as I mainly download so no STM limits for me

[Risco]

Originally Posted by Kabaal

The upstream traffic management affects pretty much anyone who uploads anything. The caps are tiny for this day and age and the speeds it makes you crawl at are simply so low that it makes it impossible for anyone to be a 'heavy user'. 500KB/s on their top end packages practically during all waking hours at the weekends? Don't make me laugh... heavy users... no one can be a heavy user at those speeds.

How much do people upload really? The only time upload is heavily used for extended periods is P2P....

[craigj2k12]

Originally Posted by broadbandking

You tell me how ANY company doesn't try and screw its customers.

I just had some work done on my car, work was done to a high standard, in a reasonable time and for a good price. The garage made their profit but I dont feel screwed in any way

[kalleh]

Originally Posted by Risco

How much do people upload really? The only time upload is heavily used for extended periods is P2P....

What about the new Craze that is people streaming in HD?

[Firmsky]

With PS4 allowing users to broadcast their stream via twitch and Ustream and Xbox allowing it from next week I can those who choose to do this being affected by VM traffic management.

[Coffeeguy]

Does this mean that speed throttling applies to P2P traffic but there is no longer a limit on how much data is downloaded? Trust VM to confuse customers. They should just do away with throttling/us management and upgrade their infrastructure!

[General Maximus]

yup, there are no download thresholds anymore so regardless of whether you are downloading stuff on Steam or torrents, it isnt a case of "you have downloaded 5gb so we are going to cap you to 50%. Obviously on normal stuff you will get whatever speed is available which you would expect to be close to max. P2P traffic is till shaped which means that during stm/peak hours p2p traffic will be flagged as low priority which may result in abnormally low speeds. Personally I have never noticed it affect torrents but newsgroups can crawl to a halt (literally) unless you use SSL. Soooo, like I said with torrents, I have always been able to get full speed and now that stm has been removed I can continue to download as much as I want (in theory) and not have to worry about any speed reduction.

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by General Maximus

of course it has, VM have been screwing customers with stm for years despite how vocal people have been about it. The whole press release crap about "we have listened to our customers bla bla bla" is rubbish. VM will only do something if it is in their interests to do it. If they can afford to erradicate downstream stm altogether then surely they can afford to chop upstream in half if they are determined to leave p2p shaping in effect.

I agree with the general sentiment of what you're saying, but I disagree with this particular bit. Virgin have obviously been upgrading the network lately, ever since the speed doubling first started. We've still got congestion but it's definitely better than it was. However, I do believe that the upstream side of things are a different bag, if it really wasn't as bad as you're suggesting, you'd think they'd up speeds to 10:1 again, which they seem reluctant to do. However, there's lots of evidence to show that the upstream side is being upgraded as well so I think it really is only a matter of time. I wouldn't be surprised if they first brought back 10:1, then reduced STM marginally, then dropped it completely - just like they did with downstream.

[broadbandking]

Originally Posted by Coffeeguy

Does this mean that speed throttling applies to P2P traffic but there is no longer a limit on how much data is downloaded? Trust VM to confuse customers. They should just do away with throttling/us management and upgrade their infrastructure!

Its not just that easy to upgrade their network, it not like can just plug in a new UBR its so much more.

[Nedkelly]

The amount of work that goes into the upgrading the network is huge and on many levels