Ukraine on the verge of civil war!

[Osem]

Ukraine's first post-independence president has warned the country is on the "brink of civil War" as parliament debates an amnesty for protesters.

Leonid Kravchuk, president from 1991 to 1994, opened the debate in parliament by urging everyone involved to "act with the greatest responsibility".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25939737

Let's hope they listen to him because if this kicks off what's going on in Syria could be the least of our troubles.

wonder how much this will end up costing us

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Plenty you can bet. Another conflict by proxy with the Russians supporting the (elected this time!) government in power and the USA supporting the demonstrators.

Another one in Russia's backyard we should be vary wary of getting involved in in any way.

specially as Putin is flexing

[alferret]

If it goes the way of civil war you can bet mother Russia will wade in with their size 10's. There are some breakaway countries that Russia would love to have back in the fold. Who is to say that Russia didn't instigate this in the first place either. Love a conspiracy let's get the ball rolling!

If it becomes civil war we should stay as far away from it as we can this is not something we should even contemplate getting involved in. Russia's backyard is not a place any western government wants to get involved in and rightly so as there is obviously more to this then we and i doubt our govenment know. Bar america trying to get involved in this for all the wrong reasns i hope we do stay clear time will tell.

Glad the USA didn't have that attitude in WW2.....

Yes Hugh exactly the same circumstances .

Originally Posted by Hugh

Glad the USA didn't have that attitude in WW2.....

yes they did for a few years. And as an educated man I am sure you already know they only actually joined us because of Hitlers treaty with Japan and the plans for the oil

If there is nothing in it for the yanks then the yanks frankly do not give a damn

Germany's declaration of war on the USA is what got them into the European theatre if Germany hadn't declared I doubt there would have been anything other then supplies from the US their public had no desire for wider conflict.

[Uncle Peter]

Hardly the brink of civil war while only one side has guns and while the military are still being paid I can't see that changing.

The brink of revolution perhaps.

[richard s]

Viktor Yanukovych (President) is also responsible for putting Yulia Tymoshenko (former prime minister) in prison for seven years. This man has to go.

I think the Ukraine arm forces may have a big say in this outcome and hopefully come out in support for closer ties with the EU.

[Osem]

Ukraine's future has sparked angry exchanges at a summit in Munich.

European Council President Herman Van Rompuy said the "future of Ukraine belongs with the EU" while US Secretary of State John Kerry said the US backed Ukraine's "fight for democracy".

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov accused those defending violent protests of double standards.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25996453

[Osem]

Ukrainian police are storming the main anti-government protest camp in the capital, Kiev, after months of occupation...

... During the day, at least nine people were killed, including two policemen, as protesters and security forces clashed in the worst violence in weeks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26249330

Don't think this is going away anytime soon.

This is still about the people wanting to join EU and the Government wanting to keep a close alliance with Russia isn't it? Do we know how the population divides? Is it mostly pro-EU or is there a good body of public support to remain good relations and close ties with Russia?

[Osem]

I see the number of fatalities has increased to 13, 6 of whom are police.