Football : Season 2013/14 & Summer Window

[thenry]

Originally Posted by thenry

Wengers is Spain watching Barcelona. Tello is apparently available and is playing out his skin, scored a hat trick.

lies!

http://www.london24.com/sport/arsena...talk_1_3236932

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Michael Carrick injury has Manchester United considering Fredy Guarin

Michael Carrick's injury leaves Manchester United manager David Moyes weighing up a possible swap deal involving Javier Hernandez and Inter Milan's Fredy Guarín

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...dy-Guarin.html

The guys on strike after the Juve swap joke

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well he wanted to go, there was the tiff with Chelsea over the alleged tapping up and Arsenal needed the money with the stadium arriving. Still, that was 10 years ago. Wenger was asked a question and answered it. That's all that happened. He wasn't even mean.

And Mata wants to go as he can't break in to the 1st team this year and wants to be in contention for the World Cup.

Yes he answered a question, no doubt about that. It's just his answer doesn't make sense when you consider what he's talking about (Mourinho selling to a rival) is something Wenger has done more than any of the other top PL teams.

[Shadow Demon UK]

Has he ever done it in January?

[Russ]

Not sure about that but I can't see him making any reference to it.

[thenry]

It seems Jose has responded to Wenger

Chelsea FC ‏@chelseafc
Mourinho on Mata: 'He is a fantastic player. In spite of not playing much for us, I still think he could be important for us.' #CFC
12:37 PM - 24 Jan 2014
https://twitter.com/chelseafc/status/426695288946839552

[Shadow Demon UK]

Mourinho: 'Wenger complaining [about Mata transfer] is normal because he always does'

hahaha

I suspect the issue of players changing teams in the same league mid-season might be looked at for next year so that players are 'league-tied' in the same way they're cup tied. I also think they need to stop loans within the same league as well as City and Chelsea have cottoned onto the idea of buying some great players and then loaning them out to teams in the same league.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Damien

I suspect the issue of players changing teams in the same league mid-season might be looked at for next year so that players are 'league-tied' in the same way they're cup tied. I also think they need to stop loans within the same league as well as City and Chelsea have cottoned onto the idea of buying some great players and then loaning them out to teams in the same league.

Why as in my mind that's a restriction of trade as l see it and you will never stop that in a month of Sunday's.

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Originally Posted by Damien

I suspect the issue of players changing teams in the same league mid-season might be looked at for next year so that players are 'league-tied' in the same way they're cup tied. I also think they need to stop loans within the same league as well as City and Chelsea have cottoned onto the idea of buying some great players and then loaning them out to teams in the same league.

This happens in other leagues so why should we be different.

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

Mourinho: 'Wenger complaining [about Mata transfer] is normal because he always does'

hahaha

Its alright as we can excuse Arsene some grumpy moment's as he approaches pensioner age.

[iadom]

Originally Posted by denphone

Its alright as we can excuse Arsene some grumpy moment's as he approaches pensioner age.

Careful, that ageist remark is worthy of a red rep but as I never give them out you will just have to put up with a written reprimand.

Originally Posted by denphone

Why as in my mind that's a restriction of trade as l see it and you will never stop that in a month of Sunday's.

The whole concept of players belonging to a club to whom a large fee is needed if you wish to secure their services is a restriction too. This is football. The NFL does it. They have a much healthier approach to their league IMO.

This happens in other leagues so why should we be different.

We should be different because it creates a situation where clubs can stockpile great players, loan them out, and having a case where the league is stronger for everyone but them. Chelsea's rivals have to face a Everton team with Lukaku and Chelsea do not.

Its alright as we can excuse Arsene some grumpy moment's as he approaches pensioner age.

Wenger simply answered a question with the same opinion as everyone else had. They were surprised Mata has being sold to United.

This is someone being grumpy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...lwzIFhkA#t=131

[denphone]

Originally Posted by iadom

Careful, that ageist remark is worthy of a red rep but as I never give them out you will just have to put up with a written reprimand.

A bit of banter never hurt anybody.

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The whole concept of players belonging to a club to whom a large fee is needed if you wish to secure their services is a restriction too. This is football. The NFL does it. They have a much healthier approach to their league IMO.

But we are not the NFL for a start and why change a system that has been successful for so many years and just because someone moans they or others want us to change the system.

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We should be different because it creates a situation where clubs can stockpile great players, loan them out, and having a case where the league is stronger for everyone but them. Chelsea's rivals have to face a Everton team with Lukaku and Chelsea do not.

One suspects people would not be moaning if the boot was on the other foot and its just sour grapes to moan about what your rivals are doing.

Originally Posted by denphone

But we are not the NFL for a start and why change a system that has been successful for so many years and just because someone moans they or others want us to change the system.

Because if we can find a better system then we should move to it and it's a relatively new phenomenon that clubs can loan out excellent players to their rivals. It's been discussed before and it's going to come up again.

Also we should be open to ideas from other successful leagues. Although the draft system is not possible in the Premier League it's a great example of an attempt to level the playing field. I would support wage caps and a draft system to make the PL a lot more competitive. However it wouldn't work because players would be poached by the European clubs.

One suspects people would not be moaning if the boot was on the other foot and its just sour grapes to moan about what your rivals are doing.

It's not moaning. He expressed an opinion after being asked a direct question. A manager can't talk in anything other than PR friendly soundbites and must not dare express a single opinion, even if it's one expressed by others as well. The kind of bland football you people want is depressing. Imagine how unhappy Bill Shankly and Bryan Clough would have made you lot.

[denphone]

England among top seeds with Germany and Spain.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25882613

Qualifying pots for Euro 2016 draw:

Pot 1: Spain (holders), Germany, Netherlands, Italy, England, Portugal, Greece, Russia, Bosnia-Hercegovina

Pot 2 : Ukraine, Croatia, Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, Belgium, Czech Republic, Hungary, Republic of Ireland

Pot 3 : Serbia, Turkey, Slovenia, Israel, Norway, Slovakia, Romania, Austria, Poland

Pot 4: Montenegro, Armenia, Scotland, Finland, Latvia, Wales, Bulgaria, Estonia, Belarus

Pot 5 : Iceland, Northern Ireland, Albania, Lithuania, Moldova, Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Cyprus

Pot 6 : Luxembourg, Kazakhstan, Liechtenstein, Faroe Islands, Malta, Andorra, San Marino, Gibraltar

[thenry]

The loan clause of 'cant play against owner club' needs to be shot of, that I agree with but league-tie a player? if x player has faced a team in the league home and away then that player cannot play a further game against that side in the league for another side? thats interesting. Still though Wenger needs to snap up a striker.

[Russ]

Mata won't be unveiled until Monday according to the Mirror.