Riots - Page 96

**Damien** · 04-12-2013, 06:21

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Originally Posted by Derek

So a witness several floors up, whose first instinct was to make money from the footage by selling it, initially says it was a gun then changes his mind to it being a phone AFTER reading newspaper reports and admits in court he hates the Police is classed as credible when he says Duggan was executed???

He is just a witness. These points were brought up when he was being questioned so I guess they can decide his credibility. He is only one witness among many so I doubt his word is being taken as gospel.

**Chris** · 04-12-2013, 08:19

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Originally Posted by Derek

So a witness several floors up, whose first instinct was to make money from the footage by selling it, initially says it was a gun then changes his mind to it being a phone AFTER reading newspaper reports and admits in court he hates the Police is classed as credible when he says Duggan was executed???

The jury will decide if he's credible. At the moment he's simply a witness. TBH I think it's obvious from a mile off that he has an axe to grind.

Derek · 04-12-2013, 09:50

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Originally Posted by Chris

The jury will decide if he's credible. At the moment he's simply a witness. TBH I think it's obvious from a mile off that he has an axe to grind.

I know but from reading the media coverage most of them skim over his more ludicrous claims.

Derek · 08-01-2014, 14:08

Helmets at the ready...

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@BBCBreaking: Jury to deliver its conclusion on death of Mark #Duggan at 15:30 GMT http://t.co/V0ncf0G3IN

**Damien** · 08-01-2014, 14:42

To get a verdict of unlawful killing the Jury needs to be sure that he didn't have a gun and sure that the officer knew that.

Derek · 08-01-2014, 14:52

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Originally Posted by Damien

To get a verdict of unlawful killing the Jury needs to be sure that he didn't have a gun and sure that the officer knew that.

Juries are funny creatures, the length of time for a decision is making me nervous.

**Damien** · 08-01-2014, 15:05

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Originally Posted by Derek

Juries are funny creatures, the length of time for a decision is making me nervous.

It seems like it was a a very complex case so I don't think that means anything either way.

**Hugh** · 08-01-2014, 15:08

the jury have said he was lawfully killed.

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INQUEST CONCLUSIONS
1605: BREAKING NEWS Mark Duggan was lawfully killed in Tottenham in August 2011 a jury has concluded.

**Damien** · 08-01-2014, 15:08

So the jury find the Duggan did not have the gun when confronted by the police but believe the officer didn't know that.

Derek · 08-01-2014, 15:09

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@DannyShawBBC: #duggan lawyers trying to calm court as people scream murderers.

**Damien** · 08-01-2014, 15:10

Yup all kicking off in court.

To be honest it's the verdict that would cause the biggest reaction.

Russ · 08-01-2014, 15:16

Riots part 2 tonight....

**Chris** · 08-01-2014, 15:39

If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword. Ancient wisdom that still has resonance today. Duggan may not have been in possession of a gun at the fatal moment, but he put himself at risk of exactly this end by way he conducted his life.

I hope the liberal hand-wringers and professional agitators will drop it now this verdict is in - a verdict by a jury, let us not forget, not a coroner deciding alone.

But I doubt it.

08-01-2014, 15:43

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Originally Posted by Chris

If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword. Ancient wisdom that still has resonance today. Duggan may not have been in possession of a gun at the fatal moment, but he put himself at risk of exactly this end by way he conducted his life.

I hope the liberal hand-wringers and professional agitators will drop it now this verdict is in - a verdict by a jury, let us not forget, not a coroner deciding alone.

But I doubt it.

but he had a gun and was presumably prepared to use it so yes the correct action was taken and the correct verdict imo

Russ · 08-01-2014, 15:44

So what can the family do now?