Scottish Independence - The Cable Forum Vote

Originally Posted by alferret

Of course you'll say it's rubbish.
My wife has to pay for her prescriptions if she lived north of the border she would get these for free, so whilst we all pay taxes we have the added expense of paying prescription charges where as you may pay taxes you don't pay for prescriptions. Fair? I think not!
As for where I read it, I can't remember but I'll look later.

I am pretty sure some of those statistics were rubbish. I say this as someone who wants Scotland to vote No.

[alferret]

Quick Google found this.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...y-by-2030.html
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile...02741fe48278a1

I think that guy is mad. There is nothing to suggest Scotland would be that bad. Remember that they're a net contributor to the UK at the moment despite the idea that some have of England subsidising them.

[alferret]

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

"Bang on the money" is usually backed up with modicum of facts..... none available in either post.

It's ill informed drivel like this that plays directly into the Yes vote camp.

I like drivel, its an opinion that's mine, facts are not required as this is cable forum

Even if they vote Yes, its still not going to be "proper" independance.
As I understand it (feel free to correct me if Im wrong) we will still be providing their defence for example.

And their currency.

No, there are plans for a separate Scottish defence force, however in practice the defence of this whole island has been guaranteed by NATO (I.e. the USA) for many years now. If defence were the issue, the UK isn't independent as things stand.

The real problem for the Seps is their stated preference for a currency union with RUK. Scotland would have fiscal autonomy but no influence over monetary policy. Within the UK, Scottish politicians have influence over monetary issues and the Bank of England's obligation to act in the interests of the UK as a whole, includes Scotland. Outside of it, they have no influence and the BoE has no obligation to set monetary policy with regards to the needs of the Scottish economy.

Within a few years the result would be the train wreck that is the Eurozone, where policy oS set to favour Germany, with disastrous results for southern states like Greece.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

I am pretty sure some of those statistics were rubbish. I say this as someone who wants Scotland to vote No.

Why do you want them to vote no? I keep hearing the benefits Scotland has by being in the union but no one ever says what England gets out if it.

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Originally Posted by Chris

No, there are plans for a separate Scottish defence force, however in practice the defence of this whole island has been guaranteed by NATO (I.e. the USA) for many years now. If defence were the issue, the UK isn't independent as things stand.

The real problem for the Seps is their stated preference for a currency union with RUK. Scotland would have fiscal autonomy but no influence over monetary policy. Within the UK, Scottish politicians have influence over monetary issues and the Bank of England's obligation to act in the interests of the UK as a whole, includes Scotland. Outside of it, they have no influence and the BoE has no obligation to set monetary policy with regards to the needs of the Scottish economy.

Within a few years the result would be the train wreck that is the Eurozone, where policy oS set to favour Germany, with disastrous results for southern states like Greece.

The same sort of train wreck which brought them into The union in the first place

[Wad_2002]

Originally Posted by alferret

Of course you'll say it's rubbish.
My wife has to pay for her prescriptions if she lived north of the border she would get these for free, so whilst we all pay taxes we have the added expense of paying prescription charges where as you may pay taxes you don't pay for prescriptions. Fair? I think not!
As for where I read it, I can't remember but I'll look later.

Then speak to your MP mate. This a choice the scottish government has taken. Don't get me wrong, if we chose to pay for a prescriptions then we would probs have money to invest else where in the country.

2 other points I would add -

The cost of medication probs is more excessive than it needs to me to fill shareholder pockets. Nothing has been done to address this. England alone has 10 times the population and to sustain a free prescription service would cost more numbers than I could count.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Why do you want them to vote no? I keep hearing the benefits Scotland has by being in the union but no one ever says what England gets out if it.

I don't like the idea of Scotland no longer being British or having a place on the island which isn't the same country. As for benefits they make up 10% of our economy, we would be weaker without it, and our infrastructure is tied up across the border. We have military bases there, nuclear weapons there, they generate some of our power, and the fact there is no difference in nationality between the Scottish and English means the people can move back and forth without comment or hiderence helps as all as well.

[Kabaal]

In this day and age Scotland is no more than a set of northern UK accents much like the southern English view the northern. The events hundreds of years ago are of no concern to me, i'm British and as far as i'm concerned this nothing but a goal of people who want power and this is a way to get it.

I live in Edinburgh, have lived in Scotland all my life, my immediate family are all Scottish but the second this happens (if it does) we'll be moving and we'll be Carlislish or Londonish instead of Scottish.

For such a tiny island we have a ridiculously large ego.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't like the idea of Scotland no longer being British or having a place on the island which isn't the same country. As for benefits they make up 10% of our economy, we would be weaker without it, and our infrastructure is tied up across the border. We have military bases there, nuclear weapons there, they generate some of our power, and the fact there is no difference in nationality between the Scottish and English means the people can move back and forth without comment or hiderence helps as all as well.

These are arguments for staying in the union? They produce some wind, seriously because how much of that 10% would be lost if we shut the bases/ moved them to England and got rid of the nukes

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

These are arguments for staying in the union? They produce some wind, seriously because how much of that 10% would be lost if we shut the bases/ moved them to England and got rid of the nukes

Quite a bit as the 10% includes North Sea Oil, Whiskey, and err kilts maybe....

But emotional attachment to what Britain is seems a good reason to me, as good a reason as an emotional attachment to Scotland being a reason to leave. The default should be staying in the Union and needing a reason to leave as well, rather than the other way around.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Quite a bit as the 10% includes North Sea Oil, Whiskey, and err kilts maybe....

But emotional attachment to what Britain is seems a good reason to me, as good a reason as an emotional attachment to Scotland being a reason to leave. The default should be staying in the Union and needing a reason to leave as well, rather than the other way around.

Well we haven't done so bad together over the centuries I guess either

[Nidge41]

Originally Posted by alferret

Of course you'll say it's rubbish.
My wife has to pay for her prescriptions if she lived north of the border she would get these for free, so whilst we all pay taxes we have the added expense of paying prescription charges where as you may pay taxes you don't pay for prescriptions. Fair? I think not!
As for where I read it, I can't remember but I'll look later.

I also pay for mine @ £28 per month.