Court orders a woman be sedated, have her baby delivered,taken without her consent.

[Stuart]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...-her-baby.html


If this has happened as reported, it's disgusting. An Italian woman was in England for a two week training course. Apparently, it started when she paniced when she found that her children's passports were not in her room and phoned the police, then her mother. The Police spoke to the mother who did report that their daughter was bipolar and off her meds, so was a bit excitable.

The Police immediately took her to a hospital explaining it was to check the baby is OK, but she was alarmed to discover it was a psychiatric hospital. When she said she wanted to go back to the hotel, the article says she was restrained by orderlies and sectioned. Now, I know from experience (A friend's dad was sectioned when he held a shotgun up to her head) that sectioning is not something that is undertaken lightly, so I am willing to believe that there was some sort of altercation.

This is where I think the reporting misses something. AFAIK (and I could be wrong here as I am not a mental health expert) any order to detain someone under the Mental Health Act only lasts a maximum of 28 days unless it has been extended, yet the baby was taken without the knowledge or permission of the detainee 5 weeks later. I am fairly certain that any new order or extension would not have been granted without something happening to persuade the authorities it was needed.

Personally, I would like to know why she did not know this was happening. While the High court in Rome did complain that we were doing this to any italian citizen, the judge there accepted that she had not protested at the time, when the reason she did not protest at the time seems to be that she didn't know what was happening.

I would also know why the Italian equivalent of social services was not apparently involved. If the mother's Bi Polar condition is a threat to a baby, surely it's a threat to her other kids as well, and Italian social services should be monitoring the family?

Also, why was the baby adopted rather than placed with the family?

There better be something we're missing here or this is an outrageous story.

Since the adoption process is not yet complete, the mother has now, in a final attempt to get the British court’s ruling reversed, called in Brendan Fleming, the most formidable of the few British solicitors prepared to fight for parents whose children have been seized by social workers for seemingly no good reason. Also now involved is John Hemming MP, who has previously helped other foreign parents to win back their children from Britain’s “child protection” system, on the grounds that the UK courts have no jurisdiction over them

I think there will be every chance that this will be overturned,especially as Social services are currently under siege at the moment.

[BenMcr]

Is it any surprise when they do things like this?

As Stuart says, even if it was considered that the mother herself was not an appropriate person for the child to be returned to, why were none of the rest of the family considered / consulted?

And even if none of them were appropriate, why is the child being put up for adoption here, rather than in Italy?

Can you imagine the uproar (more than this seems to be heading towards) if a British child was taken away from their mother like this and put up for adoption abroad? We always seem to be so good at 'one rule for us, and another for others'

[Mick Fisher]

Originally Posted by Damien

There better be something we're missing here or this is an outrageous story.

It's monstrous, like something out of a horror movie.

[nomadking]

And what do you think would happen as soon as the child was handed over to others in the family. They would hand over the child to the unsuitable mother.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by nomadking

And what do you think would happen as soon as the child was handed over to others in the family. They would hand over the child to the unsuitable mother.

And that would be to Italian Social Services to deal with as appropriate, as Mother, child and family are all Italian.

Originally Posted by BenMcr

And that would be to Italian Social Services to deal with as appropriate, as Mother, child and family are all Italian.

And her ex husband is American citizen..who also wanted to take the child into his family.

[deadite66]

wouldn't surprise me if quotas come into this.

There was something else to it, the doctors asked for the procedure on medical grounds:

http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resource...d-judgment.pdf