A welcome report [neighbourhood policing]

[Arthurgray50@blu]

http://news.sky.com/story/1173003/po...he-beat-needed

This was noe report that l was waiting for. Since the coalition came into power, it has stripped the police service to ribbons to save money.

We have many police stations closing down, police officers cut to save money.
London is short of 30.000 officers off the streets, when they recruit officers which they do every six months- they pay is far below what they used to be. BUT the officers that get recruited only cover those officers that have retired or reach that golden 30 year record.

Many of my mates are officers and they are totally frustrated at the way the service is going and are seriously considering leaving.
On Neighbourhood policing, most of the officers on that are called away to do aid.

Communities need to see officers on the street, this also provides the stability and security for the vulnerable, and to prevent crime.

And next year it could get worse when we have a further inport of foriegn nationals coming in - who don't a damn about law enforcement.

I think its time that the Coalition got there heads together and said that we have to listen to the public - but they won't as what they will do is - put more coppers on the street, but where do we make further cuts to pay for it. BUT, will they listen - NO.

In fact last year, they gave a local force two choices - close one station or lose both.

this is a case of no faeces Sherlock

[Derek]

I've not read all of it but it's another case of woefully out of touch people attempting to change policing just for the sake of change.

Still it's better than Windsor.

Oh and the 'magic 30 years' hasn't been that for some time. In some cases cops could be putting in 45 years at 14% pension deductions before they get a penny out.

I was referring to the need for more bobbies on the beat. I only read the headline

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Police Officers MUST retire at 30 years now, I know of a police officer who was told to retire at 30years and he couldn't continue.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Police Officers MUST retire at 30 years now, I know of a police officer who was told to retire at 30years and he couldn't continue.

Is this a national policy or a local one?

[MovedGoalPosts]

There is a regulation that allows Chief Constables to require officers of 30 years service to retire. A number of forces have implemented that, not because they want to loose the experience or that the officers are unfit in some way, but because they can get junior officers cheaper, and only have so much of a budget for salaries.

As with all threads calling for cuts to be stopped, the question is simply, where does one get the money from to pay for the increases? The country simply hasn't got the money.

It would be great to have more police on the streets. Perhaps it would be better to be able to dish out tougher penalties on those who are caught so they are out of the way longer enabling fewer officers to go farther? Perhaps one could reduce the paperwork that keeps officers behind their desks, but no that would create too many loopholes for the human rights defence lawyers to run roughshod over. A big problem in ongoing costs is the funding of pensions themselves. All sorts of reasons basically why the police, like so many areas, have to struggle to do the same but with less.

Originally Posted by Rob

There is a regulation that allows Chief Constables to require officers of 30 years service to retire. A number of forces have implemented that, not because they want to loose the experience or that the officers are unfit in some way, but because they can get junior officers cheaper, and only have so much of a budget for salaries.

As with all threads calling for cuts to be stopped, the question is simply, where does one get the money from to pay for the increases? The country simply hasn't got the money.

It would be great to have more police on the streets. Perhaps it would be better to be able to dish out tougher penalties on those who are caught so they are out of the way longer enabling fewer officers to go farther? Perhaps one could reduce the paperwork that keeps officers behind their desks, but no that would create too many loopholes for the human rights defence lawyers to run roughshod over. A big problem in ongoing costs is the funding of pensions themselves. All sorts of reasons basically why the police, like so many areas, have to struggle to do the same but with less.

cut aid out

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Why does it come to 'where does the money come from'. It has to come from somewhere - cut Aid to foreign countries, Cameron has pledged to double this. So why can't he put some towards policing our streets.

Cameron should look after his own countries safety before anyone else. I work alongside police officers and see first hand what they are up against, the trouble they have each day, you wouldn't want.

New recruits are on low pay compared to other other officers. And did you know that now local communites bobbies have now been cut to ONE officer.

[MovedGoalPosts]

Cutting aid to foreign countries is only a very small amount of the total shortfalls needed to help police, local government, etc (note I don't mention health as theoretically that isn't getting spending cuts).

And yes, having previously served, I am very aware of the challenges faced by Police officers. Motivation is a critical issue, but how do you create officers from thin air, when the funding isn't there?

[tweetiepooh]

What if foreign aid lowers the number of people entering Britain some of whom will commit crime because their home nation is now viable to remain in? That will reduce load on health, policing and the like.

And we should never abandon helping those around the world where we can. I read some figures some years back showing that the UK foreign aid was one of the lowest if comparable countries but that our charitable giving to the same was one of the highest. As already mentioned the relative amounts for foreign aid is tiny to the resources spent and required nationally. We need to curb wastage more than cutting aid.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

We have already heard the David Cameron is boasting about increasing financial aid to other countries, and no this is not me knocking Cameron and Co.
But he is boasting about this whilst cutting vital services in this country ie Police,Health Services local authority etc etc to save money.

Yet he will boast about the help he gives other countries. BUT, the police service is there to privide secruity, and prevent crime. This will almost certainly go up again when we have several other countries coming here - without any trouble. When other countries are trying to stop them using vital services.

I spoke with two people yesterday and they came from Romania and Lithuania. We need coppers on the street. And l feel that members of the public are not looking at it the right way.

When you call 999, see how long it takes for an officer to visit you and then judge for yourself.
I work alongside these guys, and after 16 years as a special, l would not apply now.

[Nidge41]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

http://news.sky.com/story/1173003/po...he-beat-needed

This was noe report that l was waiting for. Since the coalition came into power, it has stripped the police service to ribbons to save money.

We have many police stations closing down, police officers cut to save money.
London is short of 30.000 officers off the streets, when they recruit officers which they do every six months- they pay is far below what they used to be. BUT the officers that get recruited only cover those officers that have retired or reach that golden 30 year record.

Many of my mates are officers and they are totally frustrated at the way the service is going and are seriously considering leaving.
On Neighbourhood policing, most of the officers on that are called away to do aid.

Communities need to see officers on the street, this also provides the stability and security for the vulnerable, and to prevent crime.

And next year it could get worse when we have a further inport of foriegn nationals coming in - who don't a damn about law enforcement.

I think its time that the Coalition got there heads together and said that we have to listen to the public - but they won't as what they will do is - put more coppers on the street, but where do we make further cuts to pay for it. BUT, will they listen - NO.

In fact last year, they gave a local force two choices - close one station or lose both.

How about this one, a local Police station which hasn't been built 3 years is closing down. The Police Commissioner said it was due to lack of funds. He's appearing at a meeting up the road from me on Thursday night so I might pop in and vent my spleen at him.

One night last week round here there were 2 Police officers to cover Hucknall, Kirkby, Sutton in Ashfield, Mansfield, Mansfield Woodhouse, Warsop and Church Warsop. That's some area when it's fully manned never mind with just 2 officers.

[MovedGoalPosts]

Originally Posted by Nidge41

One night last week round here there were 2 Police officers to cover Hucknall, Kirkby, Sutton in Ashfield, Mansfield, Mansfield Woodhouse, Warsop and Church Warsop. That's some area when it's fully manned never mind with just 2 officers.

Nothing new there then. In the 1990s, I'd often get called up on the radio as my shift was due to finish just after midnight on the Friday or Saturday: "you aren't thinking of going home" "er why" "you two Specials are our only cover for Runnymede and half of Elmbridge"

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I have just read a small article in todays editon of the Daily Express - this was approved by David Cameron last week that they will send an extra £1.5BILLION to help poor countries cope with climate change, it includes £12.5 BILLION - inc £1.5 BILLIOPN from US, for Climate Aid.

There is NO LINK to this but its on page 4, under FURY OVER CLIMATE AID.

Just think how many coppers Cameron could put on the streets, and look after US. Cameron thinks only of himself and how good he is.

Just think of what that money can do.

Improve Hospitals, Care Centres, Coppers etc etc.

He is cutting everything and sending the money he is saving abroad for other countries to use while we go on the breadline.