Marine killer deserves clemency - Page 10

Pierre · 11-11-2013, 20:24

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Originally Posted by Damien

Well moving him out of sight of witnesses seems to show a degree of premeditation?

So what, the guy was as good as dead anyway.

11-11-2013, 20:37

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

surely the only fact you need is the guilty verdict?

Obviously the judges need to consider something or he would have been sentenced already.so no it_'s not as simple as "guilty so lock him up"

**Damien** · 11-11-2013, 20:38

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Originally Posted by martyh

Obviously the judges need to consider something or he would have been sentenced already.so no it_'s not as simple as "guilty so lock him up"

But the Judge did find him guilty. They did consider it, that's the point of a trial, but they came back with the verdict of him being guilty. We never sentence people before their trial....

11-11-2013, 20:53

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Originally Posted by martyh

Obviously the judges need to consider something or he would have been sentenced already.so no it_'s not as simple as "guilty so lock him up"

lol but the guilty verdict has been passed

Pierre · 11-11-2013, 20:57

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

lol but the guilty verdict has been passed

Yes, but he hasn't been sentenced.

I don't think anyone is arguing his guilt.

But there are mitigating circumstances to take into account in regards to sentencing.

I think he should get a suspended sentence, and walk free.

11-11-2013, 21:00

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Yes, but he hasn't been sentenced.

I don't think anyone is arguing his guilt.

But there are mitigating circumstances to take into account in regards to sentencing.

I think he should get a suspended sentence, and walk free.

there are some that think he should not have been in court there are some here want him to get special treatment you being one of them.

Not even the Maj General thinks he should walk

Like I said before this thread has weakened my support for the armed services with the attitudes of ex soldiers shown here

Pierre · 11-11-2013, 21:11

He could have just left the guy there to die from his injuries, the end result was the same.

He put a bullet in a wounded dog. So what?

What he did was wrong...yes. But in the great scheme of things. Not that terrible.

11-11-2013, 21:18

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Originally Posted by Pierre

He could have just left the guy there to die from his injuries, the end result was the same.

He put a bullet in a wounded dog. So what?

What he did was wrong...yes. But in the great scheme of things. Not that terrible.

no it would not. He would not have broken willingly and openly the Geneva convention. This fact has also gone public we all know this soldier broke something that has been in place for a long time

As I keep saying I am not bothered about a dead muslim I am bothered about the fact some think this guy deserves special treatment imo he does not

SMG · 11-11-2013, 21:24

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

there are some that think he should not have been in court there are some here want him to get special treatment you being one of them.

Not even the Maj General thinks he should walk

Like I said before this thread has weakened my support for the armed services with the attitudes of ex soldiers shown here

Is everything black & white to some of you? Is everything yes or no, is there not some "middle ground" in your life. No one on here knows the full story, We know only whats been published, we know nothing about this marine, what he`s been through, what his mindset was, yet some of you sit back & condemn him because the court found him Guilty.

I don't think anyone here has said he wasn't guilty, but some of you must accept that as most of you know nothing about service life, the few of us who have been in that situation, know a little more than you do. So, stop sitting back & telling us he is guilty, we know that, what we are asking for is a little understanding. We train men to kill, we send them out primed & ready to shoot, Kill, kill, kill, sometimes guys get complacent & a terrorists life means nothing to him. So he blats him.

Personally, I would change the rules, & ensure any terrorist who fired on us, never fires again. The only good insurgent is a dead one.

Rant over.

11-11-2013, 21:28

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Originally Posted by SMG

Is everything black & white to some of you? Is everything yes or no, is there not some "middle ground" in your life. No one on here knows the full story, We know only whats been published, we know nothing about this marine, what he`s been through, what his mindset was, yet some of you sit back & condemn him because the court found him Guilty.

I don't think anyone here has said he wasn't guilty, but some of you must accept that as most of you know nothing about service life, the few of us who have been in that situation, know a little more than you do. So, stop sitting back & telling us he is guilty, we know that, what we are asking for is a little understanding. We train men to kill, we send them out primed & ready to shoot, Kill, kill, kill, sometimes guys get complacent & a terrorists life means nothing to him. So he blats him.

Personally, I would change the rules, & ensure any terrorist who fired on us, never fires again. The only good insurgent is a dead one.

Rant over.

can you read? have you read my posts? if you can read you will know I have not condemned the marine I have made it perfectly clear that I think the rules of engagement are wrong and I have made it clear my issue is with those wanting this guy to get special treatment.

I guess though you look think he does not agree and then made up the rest of what I said otherwise you would have not quoted my post for your rant because as someone who has not condemned him it was mis directed !!! rant over ....

Pierre · 11-11-2013, 21:35

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

As I keep saying I am not bothered about a dead muslim I am bothered about the fact some think this guy deserves special treatment imo he does not

Not "special treatment" but mitigation to be taken into consideration.

If a beaten wife kills her husband does she get a full life term? No.

Yes, she is guilty of the crime but the mitigation of years of abuse is taken into consideration and more lenient sentence is given.

This all that is asked for this soldier.

11-11-2013, 21:36

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Not "special treatment" but mitigation to be taken into consideration.

If a beaten wife kills her husband does she get a full life term? No.

Yes, she is guilty of the crime but the mitigation of years of abuse is taken into consideration and more lenient sentence is given.

This all that is asked for this soldier.

you want a convicted murderer to get a suspended sentence do you realise how ridiculous that is??

SMG · 11-11-2013, 21:37

Yes I can read, I can Soldier too, I can drive any vehicle on & off the road including Armoured Vehicles & specialist AVRE`s. I can even take people for Driving Tests too.

What do you do?

11-11-2013, 21:38

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Originally Posted by SMG

Yes I can read, I can Soldier too, I can drive any vehicle on & off the road including Armoured Vehicles & specialist AVRE`s. I can even take people for Driving Tests too.

What do you do?

oh wow I am so impressed !

SMG · 11-11-2013, 21:40

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

you want a convicted murderer to get a suspended sentence do you realise how ridiculous that is??

About as ridiculous as the guy who killed a Pedophile, who had raped & murdered his daughter.

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

oh wow I am so impressed !

You`l get used to it.