General : STM always enforced?

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Kabaal

-65% reduction on the upload speed now? No thanks. Haven't used my connection all that much lately so hadn't been keeping track of the STM, went to upload some files this afternoon and was slapped down to 4mbps from 11.7 quick smart.

I keep saying this but people don't realise how lucky they are.

Few years ago it was -75% reduction and you only had 0.75Mbps to begin with on the top tariff.

[Jumping]

Well I seem to have got STM after using my connection earlier....



Think this has finally made up my mind that once FTTC is here im off VM, my area is not highly utilsed so its ridiculous to be slapped down like this.

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Trolololol. So your "partner" is "on 3 too and I think he pays something like £6.90 a month as he only uses about 100 mins a month" and also owns a mobile network? I'd be surprised anyone who owns a mobile network actually still feels the inclination to be ripped off by the country's smallest network, let alone actually pay for a mobile service.

Anyhow, you realise mobile networks in the UK don't actually buy handsets direct right? Therefore even *they* don't know how much they cost originally. Only one or two networks have direct relationships with manufacturers and even then only with one or two manufacturers. The vast majority of networks' phones are bought through distributor networks, where the distributor takes care of sourcing the phones from manufacturers, delivering them to stores, and in some cases even fulfilling customer orders. Most networks do not do any of this themselves.

Incidentally you claim the iPhone 5 costs £103 to build yet professional analytic company iSuppli - a dedicated electronics research company - say the cheapest iPhone 5 costs $207, and that's before R&D, distribution costs, packaging, marketing, business, legal and contractual costs, and profit for everyone in the middle:

http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/iPhone5-Carries-$199-BOM-Virtual-Teardown-Reveals.aspx

So I suppose you now also own an electronics design research outfit whose primary purpose is to take phones apart to find out how much they cost, and you happen to do it better than the existing market leaders?

I may not know everything but I sure as hell know a professional electronics market intelligence company likely has more of a clue about its business than some randomer on a forum claiming their "partner" "owns a mobile network" and likes getting ripped off on his mobile phone (after all, he pays £6.90 a month £3 of service) (presumably because their own mobile network is too poor to provide the basic service required?). Clearly not the thriftiest of partners then.

Keep the crap coming.

MOD edit - No rep chat in public

It's not uncommon for people who work for or even run networks to have another deal with someone else, or did you not know that?

I don't care what people claim is such for the cost. I know that he CAN and DOES but handsets in wholesale from 2 companys and I also know exactly what he pays

he owns and runs an MNVO in London - what do you do? Pizza boy!

You're crap is much more amusing, so funny that even when you chose your username you must have had a fit.. LOL!

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by everyday

It's not uncommon for people who work for or even run networks to have another deal with someone else, or did you not know that?

I don't care what people claim is such for the cost. I know that he CAN and DOES but handsets in wholesale from 2 companys and I also know exactly what he pays

he owns and runs an MNVO in London - what do you do? Pizza boy!

You're crap is much more amusing, so funny that even when you chose your username you must have had a fit.. LOL!

qasdfdsaq and I have had our differences on this forum, but I have to say I do respect him overall. I don't see why you're taking this so personally and if I'm honest, I'm skeptical of your claims as well. Your attitude isn't really helping, either.

[Stephen]

Can I remind everyone please that public rep discussion is not allowed.

Also please try to remain civil to each other.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

We all know the profit margins on the hardware are high, yes, these are leading edge smartphones with some of the most advanced consumer technology in the world in them. R&D costs (which you don't see) are also high.

While I don't disagree they also make a crapton of profits on this stuff, certain companies have done professional analysis of how much the components and manufacturing costs - and as I say, they conclude the iPhone 5 costs over $200 for hardware alone before the cost of distribution and developing iOS are added on top. The S4 costs about $245 in pure components and manufacturing, the iPhone 4s cost between $196 and $254. Simply put, some loony raving "The iphone 4S cost apple £81.87 to build and the 5 was £103 to build." is horseshit.

Incidentally when you see the marketing for these new products a lot of emphasis is put onto the new software features, not the hardware. The only significant hardware change on the iPhone 5s was the fingerprint sensor, and that cost less than $15. Knowing a good few software developers and designers, it does irk me that some people seem to think software and design magically come for free and the only cost of making something is the physical hardware.

for software cost a guideline could be the oem fees for windows.

I think oem's were paying something like £15 per device sold to microsoft and that was profitable to microsoft (so cost was lower). In terms of samsung and other android vendors, google make android, samsung make the touchwiz overlay on top for their own phones and some custom apps. It does cost money, pointless arguing with that but my guess is the software development doesnt amount to billions. Apple software all in house with ios although I think before ios7 the updates were less of an overhaul.

apple have almost 100billion usd sitting in the bank.

[Stephen]

right, stop they petty insults. Thread back on topic and tidied up.

[General Maximus]

I haven't read any of this at all and only seen the thread title so I thought I would chip in. It is currently 22:16 on SUnday and I have been uploading flat out for the last 3 hours which is easily over 3gb an hour but stm hasn't kicked in yet. I normally go out of my way to avoid triggering it because I like to play games in the evening but I have been watching a movie tonight so I didn't care. I was surprised to see that everything was still ticking along at full whack when I came back to my pc.

[Chrysalis]

These rumours of STM been scrapped I have seen on a few news sites now.

[Sephiroth]

I don't know the schedule, but VM are in the process of moving their TMS servers from the edge (you see them as TMR on Traceroutes) to the regional core (pr whatever they call it). While they are doing this, there will be STM gaps. My understanding is that this hiatus won't last beyond the end of October.

[qasdfdsaq]

Does this mean there'll be a lot less servers each handling much much higher load?

[General Maximus]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

VM are in the process of moving their TMS servers from the edge (you see them as TMR on Traceroutes) to the regional core (pr whatever they call it)

what are the benefits of this?

[Sephiroth]

The officially sourced info doesn't go into whether it's less or more servers. They were previously located at the network edge, just before hitting the peering links. So, I've put Qasi's question back to VM.

Mon General asks what the benefits are. It depends on your perspective. It'll catch P2P users not currently being caught because they don't leave the VM network.

[General Maximus]

surely the % of internal p2p traffic vs external must be minimal, certainly not enough to warrant the cost and time of moving the servers. If VM are going to be that anal about trying to catch everyone it is a bad sign regarding their approach and attitude towards traffic management.

[Sephiroth]

I can only paraphrase what a few of us were told by VM. Cards close to chest as to detail - but I've chased this up in case they wish to say more.