'Foreigners' at the hospital

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by denphone

Its laughable for him to assume that because they have a different skin colour that they must come from abroad as l myself have a darker complexion and l am English/British.

You 2 are doing that jumping to conclusions thing again. where you jump to a conclusion that has to be right because you said it, and accuse the other person for making a conclusion which has to be wrong because he said it

Originally Posted by Qtx

Read the thread, it's nothing about skin colour. Russ is just being stupid with that comment about skin colour.

exactly at no point has anyone except Russ mentioned it. I think he expects prejudice and because of his GF he is constantly on the defensive

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

exactly at no point has anyone except Russ mentioned it. I think he expects prejudice and because of his GF he is constantly on the defensive

Russ is a magician. he makes things there, that weren't there before

[alanbjames]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Went to the main QE hospital in Brum earlier. the amount of foreigners there was unbelievable.

they're not visiting people. they're there to get the free treatment.

im not a racist but i remember questioning a question i was once asked when i was attending the hospital and the answer i was given.

I was asked if i was a UK Citizen or an EU Citizen, and i asked if i was a UK Citizen would that mean i would get a better level of treatment and not wait aslong.

The Nurse who i have known since the age of 7 looked at me and winked with a grin on her face and said u know i cant answer that but i knew exactly what she meant.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by alanbjames

im not a racist but i remember questioning a question i was once asked when i was attending the hospital and the answer i was given.

I was asked if i was a UK Citizen or an EU Citizen, and i asked if i was a UK Citizen would that mean i would get a better level of treatment and not wait aslong.

The Nurse who i have known since the age of 7 looked at me and winked with a grin on her face and said u know i cant answer that but i knew exactly what she meant.

I'm not a racist either, but I think they just like doing statistics

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Qtx

It wasn't an assumption, I am sure you posted something before about this.

No, I wouldn't have posted that she wasn't born in the UK when she actually was.

Originally Posted by Qtx

If I misunderstood it was a simple mistake. How about the rest of what I wrote, you seem to cherry picking the single lines you think you can argue with and ignoring the rest which shows you are wrong.

None of it makes any difference to what is going on here.

My OH (born here, paid tax all her working life, now studying law to be a UK-practising solicitor) often speaks Gujarati in public to her sister (born here, paid tax all her working life, now a UK-serving police officer). Obviously both look Indian (parents moved here and worked all their lives).

If they were seen speaking their language at a hospital I'm guessing you (and indeed Gary) would have no idea how long they'd been in the country for.

Originally Posted by Qtx

You have been told how it is possible for those living in major towns, especially London, know how to tell

We've been told something, it doesn't mean the 'something' is right.

Originally Posted by Qtx

Read the thread, it's nothing about skin colour. Russ is just being stupid with that comment about skin colour.

No, it's how Gary determind they were foreign.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

exactly at no point has anyone except Russ mentioned it. I think he expects prejudice and because of his GF he is constantly on the defensive

I expect prejudice because how often the same people demonstrate it.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Russ

If they were seen speaking their language at a hospital I'm guessing you (and indeed Gary) would have no idea how long they'd been in the country for.

You still don't get it. It's not just skin colour and language. You are using your OH to try and argue that the OP could not tell that someone else was a foreigner, which is a false argument.

It would be easy to tell that your OH had not recently entered the country even if speaking another language. How she looks (such as clothes and hair) and the younger age would be part of how someone would know but again, it's experience and you will know.

Let me say that there are probably many in London who notice things about people less, or are less intelligent, and thus are not able to tell the difference between people. It sounds like you have encountered someone like this and assumed everyone in the same, in a kind of bigoted way....kinda ironic.

[Gary L]

That's very true about Asian women. it's so easy to tell whether they're 'new' or not.
they just look like any other woman that isn't new.
you can tell by their body language, behaviour. everything.

which messes it all up really because they've got this brown skin that Russ is banging on about now.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Qtx

You still don't get it. It's not just skin colour and language. You are using your OH to try and argue that the OP could not tell that someone else was a foreigner, which is a false argument.

No, it's an apt argument. Neither you or gary would be able to tell with any certainty how long the people he saw at the hospital or my OH had been in the country for. Clothing might give someone an indication but nothing that would guarantee any certainty.

Originally Posted by Qtx

It would be easy to tell that your OH had not recently entered the country even if speaking another language. How she looks (such as clothes and hair) and the younger age would be part of how someone would know but again, it's experience and you will know.

So those new to the country only dress a certain way, speaking a certain way and are of a certain age bracket? You're making this up as you go along aren't you?

Originally Posted by Qtx

Let me say that there are probably many in London who notice things about people less, or are less intelligent, and thus are not able to tell the difference between people. It sounds like you have encountered someone like this and assumed everyone in the same, in a kind of bigoted way....kinda ironic.

And I'm equally sure there are many people in London capable of a lucky guess as to whether or not someone is entitled to free NHS treatment but quietly ignores the times they may have got it wrong (which of course never happens because of this mystical 6th sense).

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Russ

No, it's an apt argument. Neither you or gary would be able to tell with any certainty how long the people he saw at the hospital or my OH had been in the country for. Clothing might give someone an indication but nothing that would guarantee any certainty.

You are again asking for something different. Knowing if someone has not long been in the country is completely different to knowing how long they have been here.

So those new to the country only dress a certain way, speaking a certain way and are of a certain age bracket? You're making this up as you go along aren't you?

You just can't accept that it's possible due to a closed mind or because you can't tell the difference.

And I'm equally sure there are many people in London capable of a lucky guess as to whether or not someone is entitled to free NHS treatment but quietly ignores the times they may have got it wrong (which of course never happens because of this mystical 6th sense).

You are clutching at straws now. It has never been said that it is possible to know how long everyone you see has been in the country. It has been said however that there are times when you can in fact be 100% sure due to the distinguishing features.

Originally Posted by Qtx

don't worry about it dude

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Qtx

You are again asking for something different. Knowing if someone has not long been in the country is completely different to knowing how long they have been here.

OK granted they are different but your chances of being right about either are exactly the same - somewhere near 'pretty low'.

Originally Posted by Qtx

You just can't accept that it's possible due to a closed mind or because you can't tell the difference.

No, it's because neither of us can. The difference is I'm not delusional about this 6th sense. If it was true then I'm sure more of you would be employed at Immigration where your special powers could be put to better use.

Originally Posted by Qtx

It has been said however that there are times when you can in fact be 100% sure due to the distinguishing features.

I know what has been said. It has also been said David Moyes will do well at Man United, that Labour didn't ruin this country's economy, that Ed Sheeran isn't an annoying *insert insult of choice*.

Doesn't mean any of it is right. In fact none of it is.

[007stuart]

Perhaps all UK Citizens should either hold a Passport or Identity Card to prove their eligibility for State Benefits or NHS Treatment. Immigrants from the EU should only be entitled to the level of State Benefits or Health Treatment they would receive in their own country. For the rest of the world they must hold Health insurance and for eligibility for State Benefits, nothing. Unless they have been granted full asylum.

Originally Posted by 007stuart

Perhaps all UK Citizens should either hold a Passport or Identity Card to prove their eligibility for State Benefits or NHS Treatment. Immigrants from the EU should only be entitled to the level of State Benefits or Health Treatment they would receive in their own country. For the rest of the world they must hold Health insurance and for eligibility for State Benefits, nothing. Unless they have been granted full asylum.

Well I would rather we leave the EU and EU citizens are then entitled to nothing

Rest of the world I agree and to gain asylum they have to have traveled here directly from their home nation otherwise they break asylum rules and should get deported

[Russ]

Originally Posted by 007stuart

Perhaps all UK Citizens should either hold a Passport or Identity Card to prove their eligibility for State Benefits or NHS Treatment. Immigrants from the EU should only be entitled to the level of State Benefits or Health Treatment they would receive in their own country. For the rest of the world they must hold Health insurance and for eligibility for State Benefits, nothing. Unless they have been granted full asylum.

That's not a bad idea but each time this subject is in the news doctors always seem to say it's their job to preserve life, not make judgement calls on eligibility or immigration status.