General : Prices

[Sephiroth]

"unlimited" is used as an adjective, the subject of which is then declared in the sentence. Such as "unlimited data volumes"; "unlimited speeds", "unlimited head in the sand". Then when you go to the dictionary, the term used ("unlimited") fits the definition in respect of the subject described.

Simples..

[QUOTE=kwikbreaks;35627532]If ISPs did the same it would get rid of the "unlimited" nonsense and all the sniping between high volume users and low.[COLOR="Silver"]/QUOTE]

One tried.. Metrone did a monthly fee with allowance and then you paid per MB up-to a ceiling where the price stopped but the connection didn't

I guess it didn't work as it was killed off when plusnet bought it.

@Kushan, Water is unlimited and unmetered hence the fixed rates.

The planet will never run out of water. Probably.

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by everyday

@Kushan, Water is unlimited and unmetered hence the fixed rates.

The planet will never run out of water. Probably.

So hosepipe bans and even cutting off water supplies during a heatwave doesn't count?

[Sephiroth]

A great analogy to STM, Kush!

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by everyday

@Kushan, Water is unlimited and unmetered hence the fixed rates.

Tell that to everyone that has a water meter

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Tell that to everyone that has a water meter

Why? Anyone with a water meter knows it's metered. I have one!

I was referring to people who pay full rates!

@kush

the 1991 Water Resources Act, which explicitly prohibits their use only for watering gardens and washing private vehicles. Dozens of other uses of hosepipes are still allowed, from filling hot tubs to washing the patio.

What's banned

· Using a hosepipe to wash a private car, caravan or trailer

· Using a hosepipe or sprinkler to water a domestic garden or enclosed gardens on commercial premises, such as next to a car showroom

What's not

· Everything not explicitly banned above: filling private swimming pools and hot tubs, hosing down patios and driveways, commercial car washes, golf course sprinklers, fountains, water cannons

So. What you need to be doing is filling up your £14.99 swimming pool and then extracting the water from it via an electric pump whereby indirectly watering your garden.

Or simply washing your path and fence, any overspill that flows on to the garden being only happen-stance

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by everyday

Why? Anyone with a water meter knows it's metered. I have one!

I was referring to people who pay full rates!

@kush

the 1991 Water Resources Act, which explicitly prohibits their use only for watering gardens and washing private vehicles. Dozens of other uses of hosepipes are still allowed, from filling hot tubs to washing the patio.

What's banned

· Using a hosepipe to wash a private car, caravan or trailer

· Using a hosepipe or sprinkler to water a domestic garden or enclosed gardens on commercial premises, such as next to a car showroom

What's not

· Everything not explicitly banned above: filling private swimming pools and hot tubs, hosing down patios and driveways, commercial car washes, golf course sprinklers, fountains, water cannons

So. What you need to be doing is filling up your £14.99 swimming pool and then extracting the water from it via an electric pump whereby indirectly watering your garden.

Or simply washing your path and fence, any overspill that flows on to the garden being only happen-stance

If that were broadband, people would call it traffic management (or traffic shaping). Again I stand by my point - NOTHING is truly, utterly unlimited.

Well, aside perhaps from human stupidity.

And oxygen.

[Kushan]

There's a finite amount of that, too. More than we can possibly use, but still a finite amount.

well that's just being pedantic.

Space is unlimited.. we still haven't used all that up yet and our probes keep going

[Kushan]

The point isn't that there's more than we can possibly use, it's that people are arguing that Virgin is falsely advertising something as "unlimited" when the harsh reality is that EVERYTHING is limited. I don't think there's a single residential ISP out there that has enough capacity for every single one of their customers to max out their connection at the same time - but you know what, that's ok. That will rarely, if ever, happen. Adding that capacity would only serve to increase the expense and for no real gain, you won't notice that extra capacity if you're already maxing out your connection.

Now having said that, Virgin could definitely do with adding extra capacity in some places and as far as I can tell, that's exactly what they're doing. They haven't quite fixed every area yet but there's been a marked improvement over the last 12 months or so. I still don't feel they're falsely advertising anything by saying it's unlimited, it's unlimited in every sense it physically can be.

[Sephiroth]

Kush

How many times do I have to point out that VM's use of the term "unlimited" is explained in their advert. In no other respect is it unlimited. Indeed, STM is a limiting mechanism but that's also made clear in the ads/web site.

I really dont think we need two pages of arguments to define "unlimited". Get back to the topic please.

[craigj2k12]

Originally Posted by Paul M

I really dont think we need two pages of arguments to define "unlimited". Get back to the topic please.

I really think we do. Especially when it is Joe Public being taken advantage of by big ISP's

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Originally Posted by Kushan

it's unlimited in every sense it physically can be.

You surely mean limited?

[GazCBG]

Hi,

Have I missed something, what this about the prices going/gone up?
Does it affect everyone regardless of package?