Just a thought

Originally Posted by Will21st

So,read the CNN report yet Marty or read up the legal principles I hinted at? No? Yeah,thought so.
By the way,I didn't realise your Talk to Frank link talks about medicinal benefits of Cannabis in any depth,interesting.

so ,you posted a link that supports your view point ,doesn't make everyone else wrong does it ?

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by martyh

so ,you posted a link that supports your view point ,doesn't make everyone else wrong does it ?

Ok,I've read your links,have you read mine? You're still not answering my question.

By the way,just to make this clear,I have never,and will never declare any drug harmless or non-damaging.All drugs can be dangerous,that fact just comes with the very fact of them being what they are.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Will21st

What,from talktofrank? You don't really expect me to take them seriously,do you? And what the NHS describes could indeed be the side effects of any other medication. Nothing there that warrants prohibition

I could,btw,link you to tons of research on the medical benefits of cannabis,but K doubt they'd interest you,but here's a tidbit anyway.I hope you read it:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/08/he...ana/index.html

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Ok,please show me the reports and statistics on the amount of Murders,Armed Robberies,Thefts and other assorted crime that can be linked to the supply/distribution of alcohol and tobacco or the procurement of it.

Will there be a black market still? Absolutely,but nowhere near of today's size and scope.Why would u buy XTC or Cocaine from a dealer when you can buy the ICI produced merchandise from Boots that has guaranteed quality.... Very few people will,just as most people in NL buy from the coffee shops and most people here buy legal fags.

How does asking me that answer the question I asked you? Where's your fact based evidence and research that in the UK a change in the law as being discussed wouldn't have the results I'm suggesting? Where's your fact based research that all the dealers and criminals will just let it happen right in front of their noses when there's nothing to stop them carrying on with the supply of more potent versions of the drug which HMG decides it can't sanction the production of, especially when they can and will do it cheaper. As I've already stated more than once, I accept that some people, maybe many, will switch to officially controlled stuff (which is a good thing) but there will be those who don't and the logical reaction of the dealers will be to fight back. I'd imagine cost will be a major factor in who does what and that's why many people are walking around our towns and cities smoking cheap adulterated fags and drinking cheap adulterated booze despite the very well known dangers of so doing. That's the main reason they'd buy ICI produced XTC or cocaine from a dealer as opposed to Boots and unless that's dealt with the problem will remain and the **** involved will adapt their businesses just like they always do.

Anyway we seem to be going round in circles so like I said, we'll just have to beg to differ on this and accept that only time will tell. Just don't hold your breath waiting for the UK turning into Holland anytime soon...

Originally Posted by Will21st

Ok,I've read your links,have you read mine? You're still not answering my question.

By the way,just to make this clear,I have never,and will never declare any drug harmless or non-damaging.All drugs can be dangerous,that fact just comes with the very fact of them being what they are.

i've just bloody read your cnn link for it was worth ,and yes it backs up your view point, so bloody what ,i repeat ,it doesn't make everyone else wrong .You will find just as much research for cannabis use as you will find against it .Your problem is that you don't accept anyone elses view as valid

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Osem

How does asking me that answer the question I asked you? Where's your fact based evidence and research that in the UK a change in the law as being discussed wouldn't have the results I'm suggesting? Where's your fact based research that all the dealers and criminals will just let it happen right in front of their noses when there's nothing to stop them carrying on with the supply of more potent versions of the drug which HMG decides it can't sanction the production of, especially when they can and will do it cheaper. As I've already stated more than once, I accept that some people, maybe many, will switch to officially controlled stuff (which is a good thing) but there will be those who don't and the logical reaction of the dealers will be to fight back. I'd imagine cost will be a major factor in who does what and that's why many people are walking around our towns and cities smoking cheap adulterated fags and drinking cheap adulterated booze despite the very well known dangers of so doing. That's the main reason they'd buy ICI produced XTC or cocaine from a dealer as opposed to Boots and unless that's dealt with the problem will remain and the **** involved will adapt their businesses just like they always do.

Anyway we seem to be going round in circles so like I said, we'll just have to beg to differ on this and accept that only time will tell. Just don't hold your breath waiting for the UK turning into Holland anytime soon...

I'm not hoping it to turn into the Netherlands any time soon .

Since you're the one suggesting that all sorts of stuff might happen if we lift prohibition I'm asking you to back it up with facts,figures and research.

My facts are the Lifting of alcohol prohibition and the Dutch Cannabis model.

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Originally Posted by martyh

i've just bloody read your cnn link for it was worth ,and yes it backs up your view point, so bloody what ,i repeat ,it doesn't make everyone else wrong .You will find just as much research for cannabis use as you will find against it .Your problem is that you don't accept anyone elses view as valid

Oh,you've bloody read it... Well,jolly good. Still all worked up though,this must really be getting to you.

Still haven't read a single,solitary piece of information that supports prohibition. Good Night.

Originally Posted by Will21st

Oh,you've bloody read it... Well,jolly good. Still all worked up though,this must really be getting to you.

Still haven't read a single,solitary piece of information that supports prohibition. Good Night.

Not surprising since you won't look for any because "it will all be wrong and total rubbish anyway"

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by martyh

Not surprising since you won't look for any because "it will all be wrong and total rubbish anyway"

No, just no reason to support prohibition,that's all.

Originally Posted by martyh

Both of you can prattle on as much as you like and try to justify your addictions but there is just as much counter evidence to say it is bad for you in any form and having seen the state of people i know to have been addicted to cannabis i know what evidence i prefer to believe.

Just for point of reference this so called drug addict has stopped smoking cannabis just like that

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

Just for point of reference this so called drug addict has stopped smoking cannabis just like that

well i haven't had a fag for nearly 3 weeks doesn't mean i've quit .

Originally Posted by martyh

well i haven't had a fag for nearly 3 weeks doesn't mean i've quit .

you are a funny man marty funny peculiar not funny ha ha

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

you are a funny man marty funny peculiar not funny ha ha

if you think not having a joint or a fag for a few days means you've quit then you are mistaken ,come back in a couple of years and then you get the pat on the back

Originally Posted by martyh

if you think not having a joint or a fag for a few days means you've quit then you are mistaken ,come back in a couple of years and then you get the pat on the back

oh I gave up cigarettes 23 years ago oh and its not missed by me that even with all the name calling you actually really are a drug addict

Come back in a couple of years when you actually are not and preach

All that money on ciggies and all you get is to feel normal that is true addiction. At least when I smoked pot I got a buzz

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

oh I gave up cigarettes 23 years ago oh and its not missed by me that even with all the name calling you actually really are a drug addict

Come back in a couple of years when you actually are not and preach

All that money on ciggies and all you get is to feel normal that is true addiction. At least when I smoked pot I got a buzz

The difference is i have never denied it and i am not championing making an illegal drug legal

Originally Posted by martyh

The difference is i have never denied it and i am not championing making an illegal drug legal

It does not matter what you say now you are really an addict you only think I am

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

It does not matter what you say now you are really an addict you only think I am

I know you are ,you admitted being a regular user for most of your life,that makes you an addict .Your addiction is just as, if not more harmful than mine and yours is illegal .I don't try to pretend that smoking isn't as harmful as the experts say and yet you have provided pages of links from dubious sources claiming that cannabis is not harmful .