Drug law reform

Originally Posted by martyh

explain why you think it would be cheaper if the gov produced it (and i want to see your working out )

Because it is ridiculously expensive to the end user and it costs very little in comparison to produce

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by martyh

explain why you think it would be cheaper if the gov produced it (and i want to see your working out )

With prohibition you add a risk premium to the price,not to forget transportation costs,bribes and mark ups to make up for losses....

However I think that government weed will be more expensive than now because of tax,and I am also certain that most consumers won't mind.They certainly don't in the Netherlands.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

Because it is ridiculously expensive to the end user and it costs very little in comparison to produce

Your forgetting the production costs of legal mass production ,one of the ways cannabis farms are found in this country is through abnormal electricity use ,electricity that is normally stolen ,then you have to factor in labour costs ,licensing costs ,the list goes on ,and like i said before the stuff still has to be bought by users who may not have much money and if they commit crimes to buy the stuff now they will continue to commit crimes if the stuff is legal

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by martyh

Your forgetting the production costs of legal mass production ,one of the ways cannabis farms are found in this country is through abnormal electricity use ,electricity that is normally stolen ,then you have to factor in labour costs ,licensing costs ,the list goes on ,and like i said before the stuff still has to be bought by users who may not have much money and if they commit crimes to buy the stuff now they will continue to commit crimes if the stuff is legal

Yeah,cause Cannabis users are really we known for acquisitive crime...

Originally Posted by Will21st

With prohibition you add a risk premium to the price,not to forget transportation costs,bribes and mark ups to make up for losses....

However I think that government weed will be more expensive than now because of tax,and I am also certain that most consumers won't mind.They certainly don't in the Netherlands.

You can't keep using foreign countries as justification .In the UK we have a different mentality ,we do everything to extremes ,for example it would be quite rare to see young kids drinking to excess in most European countries but in the UK it happens in every town and city every weekend and some week nights too

Our society is not mature enough to handle legalised drugs imo

Originally Posted by martyh

Your forgetting the production costs of legal mass production ,one of the ways cannabis farms are found in this country is through abnormal electricity use ,electricity that is normally stolen ,then you have to factor in labour costs ,licensing costs ,the list goes on ,and like i said before the stuff still has to be bought by users who may not have much money and if they commit crimes to buy the stuff now they will continue to commit crimes if the stuff is legal

and you are missing how much profit can be made. A 2 grand layout can net a 30 grand profit that includes the leccy it includes the nutrients it includes the hardware and you only have to visit the plants once a day

Originally Posted by Will21st

Yeah,cause Cannabis users are really we known for acquisitive crime...

your assuming that all cannabis users only use cannabis ,the ones i know use a variety of drugs and ALL commit crimes from theft to welfare fraud ,quite a few commit crimes so they can get booze ,which takes us back to what i said earlier ,we have enough problems managing the problems associated with fags and booze ,adding legal drugs to the mix is just plain ludicrous

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

and you are missing how much profit can be made. A 2 grand layout can net a 30 grand profit that includes the leccy it includes the nutrients it includes the hardware and you only have to visit the plants once a day

a 2 grand layout if produced illegally in someones loft,with nicked electric ,A 2 grand layout wouldn't even buy a weeks worth of electric for a government run cannabis farm

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by martyh

You can't keep using foreign countries as justification .In the UK we have a different mentality ,we do everything to extremes ,for example it would be quite rare to see young kids drinking to excess in most European countries but in the UK it happens in every town and city every weekend and some week nights too

Our society is not mature enough to handle legalised drugs imo

Foreign Countries? You make that sound like a swear word.

Immature? Definitely,but maybe if we stop treating people like children they would grow up.

Originally Posted by martyh

your assuming that all cannabis users only use cannabis ,the ones i know use a variety of drugs and ALL commit crimes from theft to welfare fraud ,quite a few commit crimes so they can get booze ,which takes us back to what i said earlier ,we have enough problems managing the problems associated with fags and booze ,adding legal drugs snip

No,not all drug users commit acquisitive crimes... You are looking at street drug users who are a small proportion of all drug users.Most don't commit crime and use responsibly,just like most drinkers and smokers do.

By the way,we are not adding anything by legally regulating drugs.Name one drug that has disappeared from the streets of Britain through prohibition.Anybody who wants to know knows that practically every town and city in this country is an illegal drug supermarket.... Thanks to prohibition and the massive profits it guarantees.

Originally Posted by martyh

your assuming that all cannabis users only use cannabis ,the ones i know use a variety of drugs and ALL commit crimes from theft to welfare fraud ,quite a few commit crimes so they can get booze ,which takes us back to what i said earlier ,we have enough problems managing the problems associated with fags and booze ,adding legal drugs to the mix is just plain ludicrous

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a 2 grand layout if produced illegally in someones loft,with nicked electric ,A 2 grand layout wouldn't even buy a weeks worth of electric for a government run cannabis farm

no that is including electric paid for legally

Yes and the profits are compounded

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

no that is including electric paid for legally

Yes and the profits are compounded

Good Luck making sense out of that angry gibberish.

[Nidge41]

Originally Posted by Will21st

Yes,the difference is that even though you don't pay tax you know the fags are still under government quality control.
With drugs,when legal,even though it would be cheaper from the dodgy bloke you couldn't be sure what lab they came from....

He doesn't deal in dodgy ciggies he says it's false economy because people want their money back.

Originally Posted by Will21st

Good Luck making sense out of that angry gibberish.

It's neither angry nor gibberish ,just a differing opinion to yours ,my opinions are based on negative personal experiences where people i know have died or fried their brain due to drug use ,yours are based on the need for a drug to make your life better .

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Nidge41

He doesn't deal in dodgy ciggies he says it's false economy because people want their money back.

I know,re-read what I wrote.

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Originally Posted by martyh

It's neither angry nor gibberish ,just a differing opinion to yours ,my opinions are based on negative personal experiences where people i know have died or fried their brain due to drug use ,yours are based on the need for a drug to make your life better .

Is that so.... I guess all my murdered friends,the killers that I've known and all the other violence of an illegal Marketplace I've witnessed were all just a figment of my imagination. Truly amazing.

Anyway,I've know 2 people to die from their drug use after consuming nicotine for 40 years, and they were my parents.... both died of Lung cancer.I do not know a single,solitary person to have died from drugs and I was at it for a long time.Could have been a freak exception in statistics,but maybe it wasn't.

I do however know a lot of people who would still be alive if drugs were legally regulated. How experiences and conclusions differ.

Originally Posted by Will21st

I know,re-read what I wrote.

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Is that so.... I guess all my murdered friends,the killers that I've known and all the other violence of an illegal Marketplace I've witnessed were all just a figment of my imagination. Truly amazing.

Anyway,I've know 2 people to die from their drug use after consuming nicotine for 40 years, and they were my parents.... both died of Lung cancer.I do not know a single,solitary person to have died from drugs and I was at it for a long time.Could have been a freak exception in statistics,but maybe it wasn't.

I do however know a lot of people who would still be alive if drugs were legally regulated. How experiences and conclusions differ.

and you want to legalize a drug that is at least equally as dangerous

How experiences and conclusions differ.

you would do well to remember that .


Anyhoo ,it appears that all is not well with the Dutch model .Firstly to set the record straight Holland has not legalized cannabis ,they merely tolerate it's use and as a result it is easier to get harder drugs ,the supply isn't regulated either just the sales,indeed it seems that the legal sale of unregulated cannabis is such a problem that(last year) it prompted Ivo Opstelten, Holland’s justice minister to instruct parliament to rethink their soft approach to drugs resulting in a ban on strung cannabis strains (skunk)


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/9690851/Holland-to-ban-sale-of-skunk-marijuana-in-coffee-shops.html

[Nidge41]

Originally Posted by Will21st

I know,re-read what I wrote.

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Just realised mate sorry