Just a thought

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

There is no link to this thought.

Just thinking we could save a lot of money overnight, by stop paying wages to MPs etc.

Anyone wondered - IF, MPs can claim expenses on everything from decorarting, to catering to cleaning the bogs and even newspapers, whats the point of paying them £100.000 grand per year in wages, what do they do with it.

Even if they fly abroad on holiday - the taxman US, pay for there flights etc.

utter codswallop

Originally Posted by Will21st

Only difference being your opinion isn't based in fact or research but assumption.

No hard feelings,prohibition is on it's way out anyway so we'll see soon enough what's going to happen.

• Cannabis effects how your brain works. It can make you feel very anxious and even paranoid, it can make it difficult for you to concentrate and learn, make your memory worse and make you feel less motivated.

• Tobacco and cannabis share some of the same chemical 'nasties' and just like smoking tobacco, smoking cannabis has been linked to lung diseases like tuberculosis and lung cancer.
• Using it has also been linked, in some people, to serious, long-term mental health problems.

http://www.talktofrank.com/drug/cannabis

• Even hardcore smokers can become anxious, panicky, suspicious or paranoid.
• Cannabis affects your co-ordination, which is one of the reasons why drug driving, like drink driving, is illegal.
• Some people think cannabis is harmless because it’s a plant, but it isn’t harmless. Cannabis, like tobacco, has lots of chemical 'nasties', which, with long-term or heavy use, can cause lung disease and possibly cancer. The risk is greater because cannabis is often mixed with tobacco and smoked without a filter. It can also make asthma worse, and cause wheezing in people without asthma.
• Cannabis itself can affect many different systems in the body, including the heart. It increases the heart rate and can affect blood pressure.
• If you have a history of mental health problems, taking cannabis is not a good idea. It can cause paranoia in the short term, but in those with a pre-existing psychotic illness, such as schizophrenia, it can contribute to relapse.
• If you use cannabis and have a family background of mental illness, such as schizophrenia, you may be at increased risk of developing a psychotic illness.
• It is reported that frequent use of cannabis can cut a man's sperm count and reduce sperm motility. It can suppress ovulation in women and so may affect fertility.
• If you’re pregnant, smoking cannabis frequently may increase the risk of the baby being born smaller than expected.
• Regular, heavy use of cannabis makes it difficult to learn and concentrate. Some people begin to feel tired all the time and can't seem to get motivated.
• Some users buy strong herbal cannabis (also known as skunk) to get ‘a bigger high’. Unpleasant reactions can be more powerful when you use strong cannabis, and it is possible that using strong cannabis repeatedly could increase the risk of harmful effects such as dependence or developing mental health problems.

http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/drugs/Pag...isdangers.aspx

reams more research where that comes from

[Osem]

@ Will - I don't think it's an assumption that despite the heavily regulated supply of tobacco and alcohol in the UK there is still a massive demand for and supply of illegal stuff which is readily available. I'd like to see the facts and research you have which prove that legalising cannabis, for example, will prevent illegal and adulterated varieties still being produced and sold by the very same people doing it now because they can do it cheaper and still make loads of money. I think that's how the concept of supply and demand works.

Originally Posted by martyh

http://www.talktofrank.com/drug/cannabis



http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/drugs/Pag...isdangers.aspx

reams more research where that comes from

All that read like is a possible side effects list off an anti depressant

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Originally Posted by Osem

@ Will - I don't think it's an assumption that despite the heavily regulated supply of tobacco and alcohol in the UK there is still a massive demand for and supply of illegal stuff which is readily available. I'd like to see the facts and research you have which prove that the legalising cannabis, for example, will prevent illegal and adulterated varieties still being produced and sold by the very same people doing it now because they can do it cheaper and still make loads of money. I think that's how the concept of supply and demand works.

Yes because it is cheaper el gove weed can be cheaper better quality and make billions

I seriously think you have no idea how much money is actually involved

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

All that read like is a possible side effects list off an anti depressant

and that is why you are a waste of time ,when given factual evidence you rubbish it because it disagrees with your opinion and yet you are probably a perfect example of how cannabis affects the brain given the paranoia in some of your posts

Originally Posted by martyh

and that is why you are a waste of time ,when given factual evidence you rubbish it because it disagrees with your opinion and yet you are probably a perfect example of how cannabis affects the brain given the paranoia in some of your posts

not at all none of the side effects said you will get them its all mays and mights. Only those susceptible to psychosis will have these effects. There was a recent documentary on it

please feel free to stop wasting your time on me I would like nothing more to never see a response from you again but that is not going to happen is it? Is it cuz you love me?? lol

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by martyh

http://www.talktofrank.com/drug/cannabis



http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/drugs/Pag...isdangers.aspx

reams more research where that comes from

What,from talktofrank? You don't really expect me to take them seriously,do you? And what the NHS describes could indeed be the side effects of any other medication. Nothing there that warrants prohibition

I could,btw,link you to tons of research on the medical benefits of cannabis,but K doubt they'd interest you,but here's a tidbit anyway.I hope you read it:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/08/he...ana/index.html

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Originally Posted by Osem

@ Will - I don't think it's an assumption that despite the heavily regulated supply of tobacco and alcohol in the UK there is still a massive demand for and supply of illegal stuff which is readily available. I'd like to see the facts and research you have which prove that legalising cannabis, for example, will prevent illegal and adulterated varieties still being produced and sold by the very same people doing it now because they can do it cheaper and still make loads of money. I think that's how the concept of supply and demand works.

Ok,please show me the reports and statistics on the amount of Murders,Armed Robberies,Thefts and other assorted crime that can be linked to the supply/distribution of alcohol and tobacco or the procurement of it.

Will there be a black market still? Absolutely,but nowhere near of today's size and scope.Why would u buy XTC or Cocaine from a dealer when you can buy the ICI produced merchandise from Boots that has guaranteed quality.... Very few people will,just as most people in NL buy from the coffee shops and most people here buy legal fags.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Sorry, slip of the keyboard.

I mean senior council workers and chief executives, whose salaries in some councils dwarf that of MP's and the PM.

Apology accepted . There's many employed in Local Government who earn more than an MP and some who earn more than the PM. I wonder how many Civil Servents are the same - probably quite few.

You've probably guessed I work in Local Government, I wouldn't say I was particularly high up the structure, but looking through the Councillors allowances for last year only the Leader was 'paid' more than me. That makes you wonder how many employees earn more than any of the eleclted Councillors.

Cheers

Grim

[Nidge41]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

What I am saying is they appear to have no knowledge on the subject. How can anyone come up with an educated opinion without knowledge on the subject? You can not simples

I have been a cannabis smoker most of my life I know the ins and the outs I know the culture I know how massive it is and unfortunately I know the criminals who make the fortune

I would much rather the billions goes into el govs coffers and not some crook and there are jobs and billions of pounds to be made.

These points are factual not conjecture

There's no point debating with the mods, you'll always be in the wrong.






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Originally Posted by Will21st

What,from talktofrank? You don't really expect me to take them seriously,do you? And what the NHS describes could indeed be the side effects of any other medication. Nothing there that warrants prohibition

I could,btw,link you to tons of research on the medical benefits of cannabis,but K doubt they'd interest you,but here's a tidbit anyway.I hope you read it:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/08/he...ana/index.html

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Ok,please show me the reports and statistics on the amount of Murders,Armed Robberies,Thefts and other assorted crime that can be linked to the supply/distribution of alcohol and tobacco or the procurement of it.

Will there be a black market still? Absolutely,but nowhere near of today's size and scope.Why would u buy XTC or Cocaine from a dealer when you can buy the ICI produced merchandise from Boots that has guaranteed quality.... Very few people will,just as most people in NL buy from the coffee shops and most people here buy legal fags.

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Yep Boots sell legal highs in a more potent form than cannabis.

You can get one product for as little as £1.50, take some of that and you've got ecstasy

Originally Posted by Will21st

What,from talktofrank? You don't really expect me to take them seriously,do you? And what the NHS describes could indeed be the side effects of any other medication. Nothing there that warrants prohibition

I could,btw,link you to tons of research on the medical benefits of cannabis,but K doubt they'd interest you,but here's a tidbit anyway.I hope you read it:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/08/he...ana/index.html

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so in other words you don't accept the validity of any medical evidence that does not support your view ,just pathetic

Originally Posted by Nidge41

There's no point debating with the mods, you'll always be in the wrong.
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Yep Boots sell legal highs in a more potent form than cannabis.

You can get one product for as little as £1.50, take some of that and you've got ecstasy

I didn't realise Osem and Martyh were Mods.....

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by martyh

so in other words you don't accept the validity of any medical evidence that does not support your view ,just pathetic

No,I'll take my independent medical evidence over your government propaganda that's all.

did you read the CNN Link?

Anyway,here's another from a government that seems to come to it's senses re Cannabis and it's medical effects:

http://topinfopost.com/2013/09/29/go...nd-good-health

Happy reading Marty.

Originally Posted by Will21st

No,I'll take my independent medical evidence over your government propaganda that's all.

did you read the CNN Link?

Anyway,here's another from a government that seems to come to it's senses re Cannabis and it's medical effects:

http://topinfopost.com/2013/09/29/go...nd-good-health

Happy reading Marty.

There doesn't appear to be a link to the actual report, just cherry picked positive highlights.

Update - found the original report by the joy of Google - http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/p...essional/page1

From the summary on Page 4

• There have been only three small clinical trials on the use of Cannabis in cancer patients. All three studies assessed antiemetic activity but each explored a different patient population and chemotherapy regimen. One study demonstrated no effect, the second study showed a positive effect versus placebo, and the report of the third study did not provide enough information to characterize the overall outcome as positive or neutral. Consequently, there are insufficient data to provide an overall level of evidence assessment for the use of Cannabis for chemotherapy-induced N/V. Apparently, there are no published data on the use of Cannabis for other cancer-related or cancer treatment–related symptoms.
• An increasing number of trials are evaluating the sublingual administration of whole Cannabis plant extract with fixed concentrations of cannabinoid components.
• At present, there is insufficient evidence to recommend inhaling Cannabis as a treatment for cancer-related symptoms or cancer treatment–related side effects.

Here's another, slightly more balanced, viewpoint - enjoy...

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/healthadvic.../cannabis.aspx

Originally Posted by Hugh

From the summary on Page 4 [/LIST]Here's another, slightly more balanced, viewpoint - enjoy...

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/healthadvic.../cannabis.aspx

Strange, that link says pretty much exactly the same (just more detail)as the "government propoganda" i posted ,i have a strange suspicion that every impartial piece of credible research will say the same too

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Hugh

There doesn't appear to be a link to the actual report, just cherry picked positive highlights.

Update - found the original report by the joy of Google - http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/p...essional/page1

From the summary on Page 4 [/LIST]Here's another, slightly more balanced, viewpoint - enjoy...

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/healthadvic.../cannabis.aspx

Thank you Hugh,you're barking up the wrong tree with that stuff though. I'm not the one who doesn't read that stuff.

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Originally Posted by martyh

Strange, that link says pretty much exactly the same (just more detail)as the "government propoganda" i posted ,i have a strange suspicion that every impartial piece of credible research will say the same too

So,read the CNN report yet Marty or read up the legal principles I hinted at? No? Yeah,thought so.
By the way,I didn't realise your Talk to Frank link talks about medicinal benefits of Cannabis in any depth,interesting.