Just a thought

Originally Posted by martyh

Both of you can prattle on as much as you like and try to justify your addictions but there is just as much counter evidence to say it is bad for you in any form and having seen the state of people i know to have been addicted to cannabis i know what evidence i prefer to believe.

Excuse me marty but I have not said anything about it being good for you. I am saying people are smoking it anyway may as well el gov get the cash not a criminal

I smoke weed I do not drink to any excess and I do not smoke cigarettes at all. I have never been violent due to weed or the little drink and I do not spend a fortune on fags. I can stop smoking weed anytime I want and as I am working on getting fit before long I will

I do not think you read posts properly marty cuz half of what you say others say is just made up in your head( I deffo do not think you should smoke weed )

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

Excuse me marty but I have not said anything about it being good for you. I am saying people are smoking it anyway may as well el gov get the cash not a criminal

I smoke weed I do not drink to any excess and I do not smoke cigarettes at all. I have never been violent due to weed or the little drink and I do not spend a fortune on fags. I can stop smoking weed anytime I want and as I am working on getting fit before long I will

I do not think you read posts properly marty cuz half of what you say others say is just made up in your head( I deffo do not think you should smoke weed )

well it certainly aint doing you any good ,only someone wacked out their skull on drugs would suggest that the government run cannabis farms

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by martyh

Both of you can prattle on as much as you like and try to justify your addictions but there is just as much counter evidence to say it is bad for you in any form and having seen the state of people i know to have been addicted to cannabis i know what evidence i prefer to believe.

So instead of engaging with the points that are being made you prefer to throw insults around? Yeah,that really helps the case you're making,or rather trying to make.

By the way,I don't smoke weed nor do I drink or put any powder up my nose...

Anyway, tens of thousands of people in the UK die from alcohol abuse every year.

Awaiting Marty's 'Ban alcohol now!' Thread in 3...2...1.

---------- Post added at 16:51 ---------- Previous post was at 16:49 ----------

Originally Posted by martyh

well it certainly aint doing you any good ,only someone wacked out their skull on drugs would suggest that the government run cannabis farms

Or someone who doesn't want to gift billions of pounds to organised crime. Take your pick.

Originally Posted by martyh

well it certainly aint doing you any good ,only someone wacked out their skull on drugs would suggest that the government run cannabis farms

Actually medicinally it does help me. It also helps a lot of other people medicinally if you actually wanted to know the facts ( which clearly you do not) there is plenty of medically sound uses

---------- Post added at 17:23 ---------- Previous post was at 17:22 ----------

Originally Posted by Will21st

So instead of engaging with the points that are being made you prefer to throw insults around? Yeah,that really helps the case you're making,or rather trying to make.

This is martys way I for one am used to it now

Originally Posted by Will21st

So instead of engaging with the points that are being made you prefer to throw insults around? Yeah,that really helps the case you're making,or rather trying to make.

.

who's throwing insults around ?

I'm just not interested in debating drugs use A)because there is no inteligent reason to make it legal ,at least while we have the problems with drink and fags ,even then there is equally substantial evidence stating the harm it does that has been done to death in other more relevant threads ,and B) trying to convince an addict that drugs are bad for you is like peaing in the wind

Originally Posted by martyh

who's throwing insults around ?

I'm just not interested in debating drugs use A)because there is no inteligent reason to make it legal ,at least while we have the problems with drink and fags ,even then there is equally substantial evidence stating the harm it does that has been done to death in other more relevant threads ,and B) trying to convince an addict that drugs are bad for you is like peaing in the wind

yet you are still here debating it ??
A make the country billions of pounds
B clueless response from someone with absolutely no real knowledge on the subject

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Will21st

Yes,it'll make it more expensive,however the legal CannabisMarket will be the main one,for one simple reason reason: Quality control.

Unless of course you're saying that in the Netherlands most people buy from black market dealers .



Please show me the medical definition of Cannabis Psychosis.Also please show me the research and papers that conclude that Cannabis CAUSES Schizophrenia.

By the way,I take it you realise that most psychotic breaks reported to Hospitals are a result of Alcohol consumption.... ?

Regulating Cannabis and getting more people to consume it would certainly be much better than drinking alcohol.It really is amazing how many people underestimate how dangerous alcohol is.

By the way,Cannabis will not remain illegal for much longer... Take a look at what happening in the US and elsewhere,the war on drugs is lost and big changes are afoot. Thank God.


Addict or not he certainly seems a good bit more knowledgable on the subject than you are Marty.
No disrespect,but I'd suggest you do a bit more research,you've really been fed a lot of Propaganda there.Can't blame you though,every War relies on good propaganda,especially the un-winnable ones.



So the Dutch cannabis market is still in the hands of crooks then? Coffee shops a figment of the imagination?
TBH the reasons you cited will make weed more expensive but also quality controlledPeople will pay for quality.

Will there still be a black market? Of course,but nowhere near what we have now...

Just to make things sparkling clear,I actually totally agree with this Chief Constable:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24320717.

---------- Post added at 15:16 ---------- Previous post was at 15:12 ----------


I'm really sorry to hear about your sister in law Marty.Can you please define 'plain fried' though.
Please don't say she's brain damaged and I also take it she never ever drank any alcohol since you are absolutely convinced it was the cannabis? No history of psychiatric problems?

Errmmm no I'm not saying that. Yes SOME people can/will pay for quality and then we'll have the unemployed and needy claiming that the official stuff is too expensive for them to buy so they're forced to buy the cheaper adulterated uncontrolled stuff because our evil penny pinching govt. won't subsidise it. I can see the Guardian headlines now - "Govt. drugs scheme excludes poor and only helps those who can afford it..."

Legalising this stuff isn't going to solve any problems and will likely cause a few more by driving people to buy cheaper, more harmful drugs.

Originally Posted by Osem

Errmmm no I'm not saying that. Yes SOME people can/will pay for quality and then we'll have the unemployed and needy claiming that the official stuff is too expensive for them to buy so they're forced to buy the cheaper adulterated uncontrolled stuff because our evil penny pinching govt. won't subsidise it. I can see the Guardian headlines now - "Govt. drugs scheme excludes poor and only helps those who can afford it..."

Legalising this stuff isn't going to solve any problems and will likely cause a few more by driving people to buy cheaper, more harmful drugs.

El gov weed will not need to be more expensive

And yes people will pay more for quality in fact most tokers will

You honestly do not know this subject. That is something to be proud of but you still do not know what you are talking about

I do not understand how you are saying el gov weed will be more expensive but then saying it will drive people onto cheaper drugs??

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

El gov weed will not need to be more expensive

And yes people will pay more for quality in fact most tokers will

You honestly do not know this subject. That is something to be proud of but you still do not know what you are talking about

and you don't know basic economics .The only way that gov weed can be cheaper or as cheap as the illegal stuff is if it was state subsidised ,so what you are asking is for non users to help fund your habit

Originally Posted by martyh

and you don't know basic economics .The only way that gov weed can be cheaper or as cheap as the illegal stuff is if it was state subsidised ,so what you are asking is for non users to help fund your habit

absolute rubbish

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by martyh

and you don't know basic economics .The only way that gov weed can be cheaper or as cheap as the illegal stuff is if it was state subsidised ,so what you are asking is for non users to help fund your habit

so tiz doesn't understand economics? ROFL,you need to take a look in the mirror...

Prohibition is what makes drugs lucrative in the first place and makes their proliferation in society a certainty.

Like I said,go read up on the subject cause your knowledge is rather limited,to put it mildly.Your arguments and logical conclusions are also far from stellar.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Twaddle

Cheers

Grim

Sorry, slip of the keyboard.

I mean senior council workers and chief executives, whose salaries in some councils dwarf that of MP's and the PM.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Osem

Errmmm no I'm not saying that. Yes SOME people can/will pay for quality and then we'll have the unemployed and needy claiming that the official stuff is too expensive for them to buy so they're forced to buy the cheaper adulterated uncontrolled stuff because our evil penny pinching govt. won't subsidise it. I can see the Guardian headlines now - "Govt. drugs scheme excludes poor and only helps those who can afford it..."

Legalising this stuff isn't going to solve any problems and will likely cause a few more by driving people to buy cheaper, more harmful drugs.

No Osem,legalising will solve a great deal of our crime and violence problem associated with the drugs trade.It will also guarantee purity of product and thereby far less health problems.

Prohibition causes crime,plain and simple.

[Osem]

Sorry we'll have to disagree for the reasons I've already mentioned. Sure some people would benefit from purity of product but a whole lot more won't because they can't afford it and will still be prey to dealers who've found part of their business disrupted and are keen to make up for it by one illegal means or another.

In the UK we have the regulated supply of cigarettes yet there are masses of illegal and even more dangerous cigarettes coming into the UK and being smoked every day simply because they're cheaper and there are a) those who'll buy them and b) those who'll stop at nothing to supply them.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...k-8326044.html

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Osem

Sorry we'll have to disagree for the reasons I've already mentioned. Sure some people would benefit from purity of product but a whole lot more won't because they can't afford it and will still be prey to dealers who've found part of their business disrupted and are keen to make up for it by one illegal means or another.

Only difference being your opinion isn't based in fact or research but assumption.

No hard feelings,prohibition is on it's way out anyway so we'll see soon enough what's going to happen.