Just a thought

Originally Posted by Osem

Sounds ideal to me...

And of course all the low life dealers who've thus far made a good living out of supplying it will all just retrain to become primary school teachers and pillars of society. There's no way they'll just spend their time pushing more potent drugs, very cheaply at first, in order to lure, then trap people into relying on them once again...

and the user won't simply buy the same stuff they always have from the same dealer who sells it cheaper than the state grown stuff because he won't be paying any duty

[Osem]

Originally Posted by martyh

and the user won't simply buy the same stuff they always have from the same dealer who sells it cheaper than the state grown stuff because he won't be paying any duty

Nope, it'll never happen...

Maybe HMG could make it available free to the unemployed and those on low incomes...

Originally Posted by Osem

Nope, it'll never happen...

Maybe HMG could make it available free to the unemployed and those on low incomes...

nah ,'cos then the gove would have to raise benefits to account for the 'Munchie' effect

You guys really do not have a clue. Marty you and osem obviously have no knowledge on this subject yet you sprout your opinions and honestly you are talking crap

Why would el gov based weed be more expensive? when weed was reclassified prices sky rocketed as I said in my out line if el gov do 2 grams for a tenner the end user will snap their hands off. Why would there be need for duty? its a government run business so all the profit goes into the pot anyway ( see what I did there lol)

You also seemed blissfully unaware that I said breed in more sativa and less indica therefore controlling the psychotic effects

But no you pair would rather do nothing as usual and leave the billions of pounds going into the pockets of criminals

[Russ]

Just because someone has different views does not automatically mean they are wrong and you are right.

Originally Posted by Russ

Just because someone has different views does not automatically mean they are wrong and you are right.

What I am saying is they appear to have no knowledge on the subject. How can anyone come up with an educated opinion without knowledge on the subject? You can not simples

I have been a cannabis smoker most of my life I know the ins and the outs I know the culture I know how massive it is and unfortunately I know the criminals who make the fortune

I would much rather the billions goes into el govs coffers and not some crook and there are jobs and billions of pounds to be made.

These points are factual not conjecture

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

Why would el gov based weed be more expensive?

TAX

You also seemed blissfully unaware that I said breed in more sativa and less indica therefore controlling the psychotic effects

controlling not eliminating.

We have enough health problems without introducing more ,cannabis is illegal and it will remain illegal ,simples .

I have been a cannabis smoker most of my life I know the ins and the outs I know the culture I know how massive it is and unfortunately I know the criminals who make the fortune

So being an addict makes you an expert does it ,and means you're the only one who can comment ? .

[Osem]

Why would govt. produced weed be more expensive?? Quality control, health & safety, administration, bureaucracy, wages, national insurance payments, human resources, pensions contibutions, regulation, compliance with legal obligations, distribution costs etc. etc. etc. The same things that make illegal sweat shops able to undercut genuine manufacturers.

Originally Posted by martyh

TAX

controlling not eliminating.

We have enough health problems without introducing more ,cannabis is illegal and it will remain illegal ,simples .



So being an addict makes you an expert does it ,and means you're the only one who can comment ? .

Why would govt. produced weed be more expensive??


Not to mention quality control, health & safety, administration, bureaucracy, wages, national insurance payments, human resources, pensions contibutions, compliance with legal obligations, distribution costs etc. etc. etc. The same things that make illegal sweat shops able to undercut genuine manufacturers.

[Doug P]

I hate the smell it makes me feel ill, but I have no opinion on whether others should use it or not as I do not have the knowledge to approve or disapprove with any certainty....

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Chris

No it isn't. The reason so many MPs were stretching the definition of "expenses" so far was that they had been told, privately, that if they agreed not to vote themselves pay rises they could go some way towards making it up with some very generous help with their domestic bills.

Or did you never wonder why it was that with so many ridiculous stories in the Telegraph about wisteria, duck houses and 'flipping' of the main residence, so few MPs ended up being prosecuted for actually doing something illegal?

Except my comment was in response to 'councillors earning more than MP's', which is twaddle. I'm fully aware of what was/is going on, and never wondered why there were so many ridiculous stories in the Telegraph. I do however, wonder why you felt the need for a condescending response when you obviously didn't read the comment I was responding to, and just felt that trying to be smart and belittling was a clever thing to do.

Cheers

Grim

[Doug P]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Pierre, Please dont even put me into the same league as Thatcher, l hated the woman and was glad when she died.

I like many others celebrated her death. She can RIP, l was sad that she had so many illnesses when she passed.

Arthur I abhor anyone who is pleased at the death of anyone. The pleasure of death of anyone who was loved and admired by others is one opinion I cannot respect and you are now on my ignore list.

Originally Posted by Doug P

I hate the smell it makes me feel ill, but I have no opinion on whether others should use it or not as I do not have the knowledge to approve or disapprove with any certainty....

I've lost 3 friends in 5 yrs due to the effects of drink ,drugs or a combination of both .I have a sister in law who's brain is plain fried from too much cannabis ,she lost her kids .Making another drug legal is just plain idiotic imo,we have enough problems with drink and fags

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by martyh

TAX

Yes,it'll make it more expensive,however the legal CannabisMarket will be the main one,for one simple reason reason: Quality control.

Unless of course you're saying that in the Netherlands most people buy from black market dealers .

Originally Posted by martyh

controlling not eliminating.

Please show me the medical definition of Cannabis Psychosis.Also please show me the research and papers that conclude that Cannabis CAUSES Schizophrenia.

By the way,I take it you realise that most psychotic breaks reported to Hospitals are a result of Alcohol consumption.... ?

Originally Posted by martyh

We have enough health problems without introducing more ,cannabis is illegal and it will remain illegal ,simples .
.

Regulating Cannabis and getting more people to consume it would certainly be much better than drinking alcohol.It really is amazing how many people underestimate how dangerous alcohol is.

By the way,Cannabis will not remain illegal for much longer... Take a look at what happening in the US and elsewhere,the war on drugs is lost and big changes are afoot. Thank God.

Originally Posted by martyh

So being an addict makes you an expert does it ,and means you're the only one who can comment ? .

Addict or not he certainly seems a good bit more knowledgable on the subject than you are Marty.
No disrespect,but I'd suggest you do a bit more research,you've really been fed a lot of Propaganda there.Can't blame you though,every War relies on good propaganda,especially the un-winnable ones.

Originally Posted by Osem

Why would govt. produced weed be more expensive??

So the Dutch cannabis market is still in the hands of crooks then? Coffee shops a figment of the imagination?
TBH the reasons you cited will make weed more expensive but also quality controlledPeople will pay for quality.

Will there still be a black market? Of course,but nowhere near what we have now...

Just to make things sparkling clear,I actually totally agree with this Chief Constable:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24320717.

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Originally Posted by martyh

I've lost 3 friends in 5 yrs due to the effects of drink ,drugs or a combination of both .I have a sister in law who's brain is plain fried from too much cannabis ,she lost her kids.

I'm really sorry to hear about your sister in law Marty.Can you please define 'plain fried' though.
Please don't say she's brain damaged and I also take it she never ever drank any alcohol since you are absolutely convinced it was the cannabis? No history of psychiatric problems?

So no one actually smokes cannabis because it is illegal then? and you think the numbers of users of a readily available drug will increase? So you have the smokers anyway smoking unknown strains when the same smokers could be smoking a less psychotic enducing drug ( only 1 in 10 users are susceptible to this anyway )

As I said el gov could do 2 grams for a tenner all of that tenner goes into the coffers production costs and wages come out of it ( taxes taken from this) then the rest is profit no need for tax

Once again criminals make billions the drug is readily available to anyone the law has no chance so imo legalise and have revenue that exists anyway

Or like you want nothing changes tokers smoke what they want and the criminals make the money .

I am a user not an addict

Originally Posted by Will21st

Yes,it'll make it more expensive,however the legal CannabisMarket will be the main one,for one simple reason reason: Quality control.

Unless of course you're saying that in the Netherlands most people buy from black market dealers .



Please show me the medical definition of Cannabis Psychosis.Also please show me the research and papers that conclude that Cannabis CAUSES Schizophrenia.

By the way,I take it you realise that most psychotic breaks reported to Hospitals are a result of Alcohol consumption.... ?

Regulating Cannabis and getting more people to consume it would certainly be much better than drinking alcohol.It really is amazing how many people underestimate how dangerous alcohol is.

By the way,Cannabis will not remain illegal for much longer... Take a look at what happening in the US and elsewhere,the war on drugs is lost and big changes are afoot. Thank God.


Addict or not he certainly seems a good bit more knowledgable on the subject than you are Marty.
No disrespect,but I'd suggest you do a bit more research,you've really been fed a lot of Propaganda there.Can't blame you though,every War relies on good propaganda,especially the un-winnable ones.



So the Dutch cannabis market is still in the hands of crooks then? Coffee shops a figment of the imagination?
TBH the reasons you cited will make weed more expensive but also quality controlledPeople will pay for quality.

Will there still be a black market? Of course,but nowhere near what we have now...

Just to make things sparkling clear,I actually totally agree with this Chief Constable:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24320717.

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I'm really sorry to hear about your sister in law Marty.Can you please define 'plain fried' though.
Please don't say she's brain damaged and I also take it she never ever drank any alcohol since you are absolutely convinced it was the cannabis? No history of psychiatric problems?

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

So no one actually smokes cannabis because it is illegal then? and you think the numbers of users of a readily available drug will increase? So you have the smokers anyway smoking unknown strains when the same smokers could be smoking a less psychotic enducing drug ( only 1 in 10 users are susceptible to this anyway )

As I said el gov could do 2 grams for a tenner all of that tenner goes into the coffers production costs and wages come out of it ( taxes taken from this) then the rest is profit no need for tax

Once again criminals make billions the drug is readily available to anyone the law has no chance so imo legalise and have revenue that exists anyway

Or like you want nothing changes tokers smoke what they want and the criminals make the money .

I am a user not an addict

Both of you can prattle on as much as you like and try to justify your addictions but there is just as much counter evidence to say it is bad for you in any form and having seen the state of people i know to have been addicted to cannabis i know what evidence i prefer to believe.