Superhub : Playstation 4 partnering with Virgin Media and 200mbit speeds this year?

[gregbrighton]

Where do I get that then?

[Another VM User]

Sorry that's Bournemouth. My appologies

Originally Posted by Another VM User

Sorry that's Bournemouth. My appologies

it's not symmetrical..... (But still very good)

https://gigler.co.uk/get-gigler

Not sure why anyone would take one of the two lower packages at those speeds.

[telfordcable]

^^ I wish I move to bournemouth to have this top tier! Lucky peoples there!

[Another VM User]

A few places have it but they always seem to go to Faringdon etc in Oxford to do fast rollout.

I've dealt with people in Faringdon - tighter than a ducks arse some of them

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by gregbrighton

Hope I'm part of the 40%! Not sure I will get it though as the 120mb is fine for me.

Dont beleave anything posted on here by Telford Cable. If you read all his posts you will soon realise he happens to be the Forum troll and spouts lots and lots of bull excreta.

[klabnix]

Interesting, I reduced my internet speed this year, as the 60mb was ruining my gaming on the PS3, because of lag compensation in the Call of Duty games.

Hopefully on PS4 this will be sorted out.

[ethan103]

Originally Posted by klabnix

Interesting, I reduced my internet speed this year, as the 60mb was ruining my gaming on the PS3, because of lag compensation in the Call of Duty games.

Hopefully on PS4 this will be sorted out.

Not sure about PS4,

But the Xbox One will be getting dedicated servers for CoD and many other games!

[Kushan]

PS4 will have dedicated servers as well for many games, there's not much difference between them, Microsoft is just touting Azure a lot more.

[ethan103]

Originally Posted by Kushan

PS4 will have dedicated servers as well for many games, there's not much difference between them, Microsoft is just touting Azure a lot more.

Microsoft have something like 300,000 servers while SONY has around 20,000.

Also I'm sure Microsoft will have better quality ones and more around the world than SONY who will have to concentrate them in certain areas.

However I do now expect quality from SONY as they are charging £40 a year to play online, compared to Gold which can be picked up on eBay for around £25, and sometimes you even get a bonus month or two.

I have always found Microsofts online service much more robust than SONYs.

Also:

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/2051454...d_servers.html

While Microsoft has already confirmed Servers for other games too.

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by ethan103

Microsoft have something like 300,000 servers while SONY has around 20,000.

Microsoft has 300,000 servers for their entire Azure platform. That includes EVERYTHING, from Xbox Live to even windows update, as well as all of the azure services that you can buy and rent. It's not 300,000 just for Xbox Live. Don't know where you got the 20,000 Sony servers from, so I can't comment.

Originally Posted by ethan103

Also I'm sure Microsoft will have better quality ones and more around the world than SONY who will have to concentrate them in certain areas.

Why will Sony have to concentrate them while Microsoft can distribute them around the world? What's your basis for this statement and why are Microsoft so special? Don't get me wrong, Azure is huge and sure has its advantages but I think you're overestimating things a bit here. That said, Microsoft has a better track record with this stuff.

Originally Posted by ethan103

However I do now expect quality from SONY as they are charging £40 a year to play online, compared to Gold which can be picked up on eBay for around £25, and sometimes you even get a bonus month or two.

Why have you just compared the RRP for PS+ against the ebay price of Xbox Live? I've seen PS+ go for similar amounts to Xbox Live, the difference in price isn't anywhere near what you're making it out to be. PS+ does work out a little more expensive in general, but it's more like £5 per year more, not £15. And the games you get on PS+ have been historically better than the ones Microsoft has been giving out with Gold lately.

Originally Posted by ethan103

I have always found Microsofts online service much more robust than SONYs.

Agreed. Live is a better service than PSN.

Originally Posted by ethan103

Also:

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/2051454...d_servers.html

While Microsoft has already confirmed Servers for other games too.

He hasn't given an answer one way or the other (I suspect that Sony is currently working on something they haven't announced yet). Even if CoD doesn't have dedicated servers on PS4 (Doesn't look like it'll have them on 360, either), that doesn't mean other games won't have them. The point is that both services are capable of using dedicated servers.

EDIT: http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/12/442...g-calculations

[ethan103]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Microsoft has 300,000 servers for their entire Azure platform. That includes EVERYTHING, from Xbox Live to even windows update, as well as all of the azure services that you can buy and rent. It's not 300,000 just for Xbox Live. Don't know where you got the 20,000 Sony servers from, so I can't comment.


nope, it's 300,000 for Xbox One as stated here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...velopers-think


Why will Sony have to concentrate them while Microsoft can distribute them around the world? What's your basis for this statement and why are Microsoft so special? Don't get me wrong, Azure is huge and sure has its advantages but I think you're overestimating things a bit here. That said, Microsoft has a better track record with this stuff.

because as MS has over 10x the severs they can spread them out more evenly around the world whereas SONY cannot, as logic would tell you they have fewer.


Why have you just compared the RRP for PS+ against the ebay price of Xbox Live? I've seen PS+ go for similar amounts to Xbox Live, the difference in price isn't anywhere near what you're making it out to be. PS+ does work out a little more expensive in general, but it's more like £5 per year more, not £15. And the games you get on PS+ have been historically better than the ones Microsoft has been giving out with Gold lately.

From my experience PSN+ and PSN cards are harder to get at a discount than XBL Points are and XBL Gold is.

Also I would disagree and say both companies haven't really offered any good games for free that aren't really old or I haven't already tried. I personally don't see the benefits of PS+.



Agreed. Live is a better service than PSN.

At least we agree here.


He hasn't given an answer one way or the other (I suspect that Sony is currently working on something they haven't announced yet). Even if CoD doesn't have dedicated servers on PS4 (Doesn't look like it'll have them on 360, either), that doesn't mean other games won't have them. The point is that both services are capable of using dedicated servers.

EDIT: http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/12/442...g-calculations

Like I said SONY will be more stretched with offer a quality server experience. Just because they have them dosent mean they will be close or located in the UK especially when they have 20K-30K compared to MS with 300K for the Xbox One.

And of course having severs on the most played MP game on console is a massive plus and MS will, it looks like, support many more games with them.

As regards to your article,

That just states PS4 will sometime in 2014 offer some graphics streaming/processes via the cloud.

Again they may not be able to match MS and their quality and it isn't a 'day 1' feature.

[Kushan]

Ugh, I hate when people don't quote properly.

Originally Posted by ethan103

nope, it's 300,000 for Xbox One as stated here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...velopers-think

From that very article:

At the end of the Xbox 101 presentation, Henshaw is asked whether the 300,000 servers that will be available when the Xbox One launches are all physical servers or a combination of virtual machines. "We haven't gone into that level of detail yet," is all he'll say, somewhat tellingly.

They don't have 300,000 servers from Xbox Live..

Originally Posted by ethan103

because as MS has over 10x the severs they can spread them out more evenly around the world whereas SONY cannot, as logic would tell you they have fewer.

Except, as stated above, Microsoft doesn't have 300,000 servers just for Xbox live, those servers are virtualised. They have about 10 datacentres around the world (some not operational yet), here's a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Azure#Datacenters

They combine that with a bunch of CDNs, something that Sony is also cable of doing but that doesn't help with dedicated servers or gaming, just downloads.

Originally Posted by ethan103

[COLOR="red"]From my experience PSN+ and PSN cards are harder to get at a discount than XBL Points are and XBL Gold is.

Also I would disagree and say both companies haven't really offered any good games for free that aren't really old or I haven't already tried. I personally don't see the benefits of PS+.

See this is where I know you're being biased. I found a thread that lists all of the games given away so far, keeping in mind that it only started last November so it's not even a full year:

3.39 - LittleBigPlanet Karting
6.57 - Spec Ops: The Line (6.68 NBA 2K13 for United Arab Emirates)
4.86 - Uncharted: Golden Abyss (Vita)
3.92 - Mafia 2
8.24 - Payday: The Heist
3.51 - Saints Row the Third
4.59 - Uncharted 3 Drake’s Deception (Single Player Only)
8.54 - XCOM: Enemy Unknown
4.70 - Gravity Rush (Vita)


Leaving PS Plus 28th August:
3.85 - Need for Speed: Most Wanted
5.86 - Team ICO Collection: ICO
8.16 - Team ICO Collection: Shadow of the Colossus
8.00 - Demon’s Souls
1.88 - Lego Lord of the Rings (Vita)
9.00 - When Vikings Attack (PS3 & Vita)


Entering PS Plus 28th August:
5.74 - Assassin's Creed III
2.92 - The Jak and Daxter Trilogy: Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy HD
6.05 - The Jak and Daxter Trilogy: Jak II HD
4.42 - The Jak and Daxter Trilogy: Jak 3 HD
7.00 - Stealth Inc.: A Clone in the Dark (PS3 & Vita)
7.40 - Urban Trial Freestyle (Vita)
3.13 - New Little King's Story (Vita)


ARCHIVE (EU) PS+/IGC

June 2012
4.64 - Darksiders
3.76 - inFamous 2
4.35 - Motorstorm Apocalypse
4.56 - Oddworld: Stranger’s Wrath HD
5.51 - LittleBigPlanet 2
6.83 - Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine

9.29 - Chime Super Deluxe
5.56 - Hamsterball
4.41 - Outland
8.64 - Ricochet HD
9.12 - Sky Fighter
2.00 - Virtua Fighter 5: Final Showdown
7.50 - Wakeboarding HD
4.13 - Magic Orbz
6.18 - Mahjong Tales: Ancient Wisdom
8.22 - Mushroom Wars
6.26 - Renegade Ops
6.10 - Smash Cars


July 2012
5.17 - Deus Ex: Human Revolution

4.11 - Lara Croft & the Guardian of Light

Saints Row 2

5.08 - Starhawk (Single Player Only)


August 2012
5.21 - Just Cause 2
4.07 - Borderlands
7.80 - Dead Space 2

8.59 - Retro/Grade
3.40 - Rock of Ages
7.66 - Super Stardust HD (Vita)


September 2012
6.59 - Red Dead Redemption (unavailable for Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates)

6.52 - Double Dragon Neon
2.32 - Machinarium
4.46 - Scott Pilgrim Vs The World


October 2012
5.61 - Resident Evil 5 Gold Edition
5.95 - Bulletstorm

2.49 - Hell yeah! Wrath of Dead Rabbit


November 2012
6.87 - Crysis 2
3.27 - Ratchet and Clank All 4 One
4.59 - Uncharted: Golden Abyss (Vita)
4.70 - Gravity Rush (Vita)

8.33 - Cubixx HD
3.02 - Chronovolt (Vita)
3.17 - Tales from Space: Mutant Blobs Attack (Vita)

Source thread here: http://www.ps3trophies.org/forum/ps3...ree-games.html
I've highlighted a few that really stand out as not "old" or "****".
Even if you exclude all of the Vita games, you got all of that for a single 12 month subscription - even at £40, that's ridiculous value. And I say this as a big PC gamer who's used to his steam sales.

Originally Posted by ethan103

[COLOR="red"]Like I said SONY will be more stretched with offer a quality server experience. Just because they have them dosent mean they will be close or located in the UK especially when they have 20K-30K compared to MS with 300K for the Xbox One.

Once again, look up those 300,000 servers and it's clear they're not all real servers, nor have they distributed them as widely as you think.
Your claim about Sony not being able to put servers near the UK has been pulled out of thin air. Go and find a source to back that up.

Originally Posted by ethan103

And of course having severs on the most played MP game on console is a massive plus and MS will, it looks like, support many more games with them.

It looks more like Sony hasn't announced anything yet. It wouldn't be a suprirse for Microsoft to have the better online service, but the gap is narrowing rather than widening.

Originally Posted by ethan103

As regards to your article,

That just states PS4 will sometime in 2014 offer some graphics streaming/processes via the cloud.

Again they may not be able to match MS and their quality and it isn't a 'day 1' feature.

Once again, speculating on what Sony can and cannot do. Don't get me wrong, Microsoft has invested heavily into the cloud but ultimately they're not doing anything that's impossible for Sony to do. Dedicated servers are not new, not even for the PS3, let alone the PS4.

[ethan103]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Ugh, I hate when people don't quote properly.

well pardon me for having to make do on my iPhone 5 :/


From that very article:



They don't have 300,000 servers from Xbox Live..



Except, as stated above, Microsoft doesn't have 300,000 servers just for Xbox live, those servers are virtualised. They have about 10 datacentres around the world (some not operational yet), here's a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Azure#Datacenters

They combine that with a bunch of CDNs, something that Sony is also cable of doing but that doesn't help with dedicated servers or gaming, just downloads.

I don't know why you can't accept Xbox One has 300,000 http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/a...00000-servers/


See this is where I know you're being biased. I found a thread that lists all of the games given away so far, keeping in mind that it only started last November so it's not even a full year

I've highlighted a few that really stand out as not "old" or "****".
Even if you exclude all of the Vita games, you got all of that for a single 12 month subscription - even at £40, that's ridiculous value. And I say this as a big PC gamer who's used to his steam sales.

Like I said, look at when they are available. Most games are mediocre / can be found for a £5 on eBay with resale value too. The 'good' ones have been already out for a very long time. You might as well wait a year and sign up to a games renting site for £10-15 and get whatever games you like rather than playing the lottery with PS+



Once again, look up those 300,000 servers and it's clear they're not all real servers, nor have they distributed them as widely as you think.
Your claim about Sony not being able to put servers near the UK has been pulled out of thin air. Go and find a source to back that up.

Go read my article I posted and it's clear, as stated in E3 that MS will have 300,000 severs for the X1.

Please find me a source that shows SONY has set up severs for the UK :/

It looks more like Sony hasn't announced anything yet. It wouldn't be a suprirse for Microsoft to have the better online service, but the gap is narrowing rather than widening.


300K vs 20-30k?

The gap is still wide open. SONY and Nintendo have always lagged behind.

And SONY has announced it's plans for cloud computing "sometime in 2014" :/



Once again, speculating on what Sony can and cannot do. Don't get me wrong, Microsoft has invested heavily into the cloud but ultimately they're not doing anything that's impossible for Sony to do. Dedicated servers are not new, not even for the PS3, let alone the PS4.

SONY cannot compete and will most likely not invest as much in servers as Microsoft can and has. That is evident or else they would also be championing their numbers of servers but instead they choose to stay quiet.

[Risco]

Originally Posted by ethan103

SONY cannot compete and will most likely not invest as much in servers as Microsoft can and has. That is evident or else they would also be championing their numbers of servers but instead they choose to stay quiet.

What a load of rubbish, are Microsoft paying you lol?