120M : Great when 120Mb works.

[Another VM User]

Originally Posted by ethan103

I use LoveFilm so I have films queued and I know when they will arrive and what days I will have a film to watch, so this in some ways is "planned" as they send out 3 discs at a time. So whenever I have time to watch a film, usually once every couple of days, I can watch it and by the time I have sent it back and have time to watch another, the next one is sent so I have 3 again to choose from.

If i download a film, its usually because someone recommended it or like I said friends/family come round and want to watch a film.

Then, a ~5GB would require a wait.

Also, even with programs/games/drivers/software.

These can easily be 200MB - GB's.


And you forget that with 4K and 8K in the near future, as well as console game downloads and so on, files are only ever getting bigger.

All this is unimportant to me - I want to know why my 3D cinema glasses only work at the Cinema? :/

e.g.

Uncompressed 4K trailer of "The Amazing Spiderman" = 500GB.

A trailer. 500GB.

Try downloading that even with 120Mb & STM kicking in too.

Doubt you would even see the trailer that afternoon.

I can stream 4k's quite happily even when STM'd I think you have a fault if you can't

4K video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_okcNVZqqI

You can download the 3072P version which is 430MB - not long even under STM on the 120 package!

[MUD_Wizard]

Originally Posted by roughbeast

a possible explanation. Thanks I hadn't thought of that.

Either that, you were mistaken about the time taken, or some of the torrent was already downloaded.

[ethan103]

Originally Posted by Kushan

I understand what you're trying to say, but you're missing my point entirely. You do not NEED to have any of that downloaded within 30s or 1min. You can wait 5, 10, 20 or even 60minutes if necessary because that's just how the internet works. Faster speeds would be nice, but to claim that they're necessary just so you can download an UHD film in under a minute is ridiculous - that is not necessary and you have plenty of ways to mitigate that need to have a file in 30s, such as deciding ahead of time what you want to watch or downloading films into your library ahead of time.
Or streaming them. Even in UHD, at 30GB for a 90min film, you only need a 50mbit connection to stream that in real time. There's absolutely no need for a 1gbit connection, it's purely about convenience that you're talking about.

Erm, I think I can judge what I *need* and don't need.

For example, I need a mobile phone but I don't need a tablet.

I have a need for faster Internet connections & don't like leaving my PC on for 5, 10, 15, 30+ minutes waiting for something to download.

Streaming is not an option because of quality issues.

It's like saying you don't need a car that can go 70 on the motorway because you can set off earlier and go at 30 :/

Not everything can be pre planned, I can't know that some friends my want to come over tomorrow evening and maybe a comedy film is needed. I can't possibly know or plan this :/

I remember the days of downloading music on 56K connections.

Would take an absolute age, now it takes what, 1-5 seconds?

Would you still be saying that we don't need faster than 56K because you don't see the urgency?

I fully understand perhaps faster speeds would be too inconvenient and instant for you, however personally I would prefer to download movies like I can now download songs and what I am saying is that I'm sure speeds will only ever get faster while files are getting bigger. And when they are introduced, I will be ready to sign up.

Whether that's with BT & 300Mb or faster or with what VM will be testing.

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

But the 20 minutes staring at the windshield, 5 minutes staring at the guy in the queue in front of you, couple minutes staring at the parking meter or 20 minutes staring at a screen you can't control force feeding you adverts is perfectly OK?

I enjoy driving, I'm lucky to have a very nice car and friends who have good chat.

We always spend time in the arcade / machines / table tennis etc so ads are skipped. Trailers are worthwhile to watch to discover new films.

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Originally Posted by Another VM User

I can stream 4k's quite happily even when STM'd I think you have a fault if you can't

4K video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_okcNVZqqI

You can download the 3072P version which is 430MB - not long even under STM on the 120 package!

Please enlighten me where I state streaming or downloading anything is not possible?

Even though you can't actually benefit from streaming 4K right now :/

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Another VM User

I can stream 4k's quite happily even when STM'd I think you have a fault if you can't

4K video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_okcNVZqqI

You can download the 3072P version which is 430MB - not long even under STM on the 120 package!

I think you'll find any quality on youtube is equivalent to one or two steps down in any actually legitimate format. A 1080p BluRay for example is usually between four and eight times the bitrate of a 1080p Youtube video. Even your 4K inkdrops video is barely 1080p quality. Even TV quality 4K with the latest ultra-HD HEVC codec takes 85Mbps to transmit adequately - that's over three times the bitrate Youtube uses and using an advanced encoder that's far more efficient than what Youtube uses.

I actually once scaled down a 1080p Youtube video to 720p and back again and nobody could tell the difference.

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Originally Posted by ethan103

For example, I need a mobile phone but I don't need a tablet.

I remember the days of downloading music on 56K connections.

So back then you survived just fine not being able to download movies in a day, yet now you "need" to be able to? And assuming you're over 15 years old, you probably didn't have a mobile phone 15 years ago yet you're still alive, what makes you "need" that any more than some third world child who's never even seen a mobile phone?

Has society changed that much in ten years that being unable to download a movie in 5 minutes or spam facebook every 30 seconds now makes you a leper?

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Originally Posted by ethan103

Even though you can't actually benefit from streaming 4K right now :/

Are you suggesting none of us are rich enough to afford 27" screen?

[ethan103]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

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So back then you survived just fine not being able to download movies in a day, yet now you "need" to be able to? And assuming you're over 15 years old, you probably didn't have a mobile phone 15 years ago yet you're still alive, what makes you "need" that any more than some third world child who's never even seen a mobile phone?

Has society changed that much in ten years that being unable to download a movie in 5 minutes or spam facebook every 30 seconds now makes you a leper?

I didn't need to download movies "back then". I had no interest in them apart from whatever was on TV.

A mobile phone is needed, at least for work purposes. Something a kid dosent need. But someone who works does.

My needs are different to yours. I find it inconvenient having to wait longer and longer for downloads.

It would be nice to download faster.

I fully understand some people are against advancements / choices.

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Are you suggesting none of us are rich enough to afford 27" screen?

I'm assuming no one on here has 4K capable screen that they use to stream '4K' YouTube videos, or even a 27" one.

[Kushan]

Considering how much you're going on about "needing" this, yet by your very claim that "need" isn't being fulfilled, you seem to be doing all right. I don't think you know what "need" actually means.

[ethan103]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Considering how much you're going on about "needing" this, yet by your very claim that "need" isn't being fulfilled, you seem to be doing all right. I don't think you know what "need" actually means.

It's a want right now and when's it's available it will be a need.

What can I say, I don't like download wait times at current speeds and current file sizes.

[Another VM User]

Originally Posted by ethan103

I don't like leaving my PC on for 5, 10, 15, 30+ minutes waiting for something to download.

Finally - the real reason.

Not sure why, but now can we just move onto a interesting thread?

I bet this guy leaves his mobile on most of the time - even though batterys explode more today than they ever did.

[ethan103]

Originally Posted by Another VM User

Finally - the real reason.

Not sure why, but now can we just move onto a interesting thread?

I bet this guy leaves his mobile on most of the time - even though batterys explode more today than they ever did.

???? That's always been the reason :/

[Another VM User]

What you dont want to leave your PC on for long periods so you want faster download speed?

Sorry but a rather odd reason unless you have fear of fire or electrical cost OCD in which case go see a doctor.

[craigj2k12]

I always want the best download speeds so my porn doesnt buffer, as for the upload speed, well... use your imagination there

[roughbeast]

Possibly speed becomes an end in itself, certainly in my case. Faster feels better even though we all know that for the most part a reliable symmetrical connection of 60Mb with low ping and no jitter is all you would ever really want or need. So what if 2Gb takes nearly 5 minutes instead of just over 2 minutes? Safe to say your porn ain't gonna buffer slowly at 60Mb.

[ethan103]

Originally Posted by Another VM User

What you dont want to leave your PC on for long periods so you want faster download speed?

Sorry but a rather odd reason unless you have fear of fire or electrical cost OCD in which case go see a doctor.

Why would I want to leave my 1200W PC running?

You do realise it can turn my room into a Suana?

But if Steam releases a new game or a new driver, update or whatever it may be, personally I don't like staring at a screen.

Like I said before, if you dont need your downloads faster, why even bother having Virgin Media?

Why not go for a free broadband package?

Why did companies even bother allowing us choice for faster connections than 56K?

Personally, PERSONALLY, I would like to download large files, 5-10GB+ like I can download music files.

That's just how I PERSONALLY feel.

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by ethan103

Why would I want to leave my 1200W PC running?

You do realise it can turn my room into a Suana?

But if Steam releases a new game or a new driver, update or whatever it may be, personally I don't like staring at a screen.

Like I said before, if you dont need your downloads faster, why even bother having Virgin Media?

Why not go for a free broadband package?

Why did companies even bother allowing us choice for faster connections than 56K?

Personally, PERSONALLY, I would like to download large files, 5-10GB+ like I can download music files.

That's just how I PERSONALLY feel.

Your 1200W PSU does not run at 1200W 24/7. It will draw whatever power it requires at the time. If you have a relatively modern PC, it will idle somewhere around 50W.

[ethan103]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Your 1200W PSU does not run at 1200W 24/7. It will draw whatever power it requires at the time. If you have a relatively modern PC, it will idle somewhere around 50W.

My idle is around 200W.

I don't have a modern PC.

I have a High-End PC.

But I guess that's too off-topic to discuss here.