General Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3. - Page 20

denphone · 07-07-2013, 12:31

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Originally Posted by johnasimmons

If your source of information is correct BomberAF this is great news

Indeed it would be great news.

ocav · 07-07-2013, 12:33

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Originally Posted by BomberAF

The reason I believe the price will stay the same is because BT will have to do a deal with VM. As a result of this VM can sell to VM customers a wholesale price, as VM will be able to guarantee BT X amount of customers and as such many many millions per year. BT cannot expect VM to carry their channel for nothing, or expect VM customers to pay more than non BT sky customers, so VM can make a profit. This would be unlawful, and a breach on competition laws. BT will get a subscription of every person that subscribes to the XL package but it won't be £12 or £15, it will be less. This will allow VM to make a profit as being a middle man or a broker in the deal.

If the price goes up by a pound or 2 then it may be down to the fact that VM have had to pay more for BT sports and have as such had their profit margin squeezed. It may be that VM decide they can charge more for their product.

Well we will wait and see. As MB has said before, nothing is confirmed until it appears on the EPG.

harry_hitch · 07-07-2013, 12:34

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Just think, IF BT Sport and Atlantic arrive on VM - the Comiong Soon tag, and Media Boy would be made redundant - wouldn't they.

No. Other people want some other missing channels (mainly HD variants) Arthur. For example, I would rather have Nat Geo Wild HD than Sky Atlantic.

denphone · 07-07-2013, 12:35

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

I'm finding this really hard to believe if I'm honest ,

VM have added a mammoth amount of channels a fair few HD , they're going to add Sky Atlantic and BT Sport and include it all for the cost of XL if so were do I sign up ?

Its the BT Sport issue I'm struggling to believe needless to say lets just wait and see I'm happy to be proven wrong.

the master is a non believer.

muppetman11 · 07-07-2013, 12:39

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Originally Posted by denphone

the master is a non believer.

Come on Den even you can't tell me you believe all that , VM have some excellent packages however adding all that in XL and the price staying virtually the same doesn't stack up for me personally. I'll believe it when its posted on here as official or from a known credible source.

denphone · 07-07-2013, 12:45

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

Come on Den even you can't tell me you believe all that , VM have some excellent packages however adding all that in XL and the price staying virtually the same doesn't stack up for me personally. I'll believe it when its posted on here as official or from a known credible source.

l did not say l believe it all but rumours from informed sources suggest something's going to happen in the next few weeks.

BomberAF · 07-07-2013, 12:48

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Originally Posted by BomberAF

The reason I believe the price will stay the same is because BT will have to do a deal with VM. As a result of this VM can sell to VM customers a wholesale price, as VM will be able to guarantee BT X amount of customers and as such many many millions per year. BT cannot expect VM to carry their channel for nothing, or expect VM customers to pay more than non BT sky customers, so VM can make a profit. This would be unlawful, and a breach on competition laws. BT will get a subscription of every person that subscribes to the XL package but it won't be £12 or £15, it will be less. This will allow VM to make a profit as being a middle man or a broker in the deal.

If the price goes up by a pound or 2 then it may be down to the fact that VM have had to pay more for BT sports and have as such had their profit margin squeezed. It may be that VM decide they can charge more for their product.

I would like to clarify this post.

I am not speculating on this deal, or the price or how it will be given to you. On the face of it, it will be given to you in exactly the same way that ESPN was. When I say that you may have to pay more is because VM have had to pay slightly more for this product and as such have had to charge customers slightly more.

I don't think this will be the case because the deal was set up specifically to get around an increase in prices so therefore it would result in no price increase. VM now have more people paying for an XL subscription because the dream boxes have gone so they have more money, this is a huge factor that has helped keep the price down.

harry_hitch · 07-07-2013, 12:48

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Originally Posted by ocav

Bad move on them, if they raise the price just for BT Sport ill be off, don't see the point in being forced to pay for a channel I will probably never really watch.

IF there is a price rise and we do get SA and BT sports, surely the addition of SA will also be included in any future possible price rises.
Also I did not see what package you are on, but if you are on XL, I guess there are a few channels you do not really watch currently, so what will be the difference?

BomberAF · 07-07-2013, 12:56

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

Come on Den even you can't tell me you believe all that , VM have some excellent packages however adding all that in XL and the price staying virtually the same doesn't stack up for me personally. I'll believe it when its posted on here as official or from a known credible source.

Don't expect you to believe me, and I am not doing it for credit or to be a known source. Atlantic will go onto VM because like I have said Atlantic was a tool that Sky used to sell themselves as a premium channel and VM a compromise. If you haven't left VM now you are probably not going to. you also have to consider that people are just downloading torrents of the programs shown on Atlantic so Sky are losing money.

It was always going to happen that 2 years after Atlantic being exclusive to sky it will be given to VM.

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Originally Posted by harry_hitch

IF there is a price rise and we do get SA and BT sports, surely the addition of SA will also be included in any future possible price rises.
Also I did not see what package you are on, but if you are on XL, I guess there are a few channels you do not really watch currently, so what will be the difference?

Sky will give it to VM as part of the deal they have with VM so there will be no additional cost for it. Sky make a lot of money from selling their products to VM. Sky don't charge VM for individual channels they charge them a set price for all channels.

Like you say the only price rise will be in future price rises, Sky customers dont get charged extra for Sky Atlantic.

freakgirl · 07-07-2013, 13:02

Presumably the channels will have to be tested before they go live so if we do get them we should know before August 1st

dodo1 · 07-07-2013, 13:02

any more news on the followinng channels

horse and country
pop girl
disney channel hd
disney xd hd
horror channel+1
mgm hd

harry_hitch · 07-07-2013, 13:03

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Originally Posted by BomberAF

Don't expect you to believe me, and I am not doing it for credit or to be a known source. Atlantic will go onto VM because like I have said Atlantic was a tool that Sky used to sell themselves as a premium channel and VM a compromise. If you haven't left VM now you are probably not going to. you also have to consider that people are just downloading torrents of the programs shown on Atlantic so Sky are losing money.

It was always going to happen that 2 years after Atlantic being exclusive to sky it will be given to VM.

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Sky will give it to VM as part of the deal they have with VM so there will be no additional cost for it. Sky make a lot of money from selling their products to VM. Sky don't charge VM for individual channels they charge them a set price for all channels.

Like you say the only price rise will be in future price rises, Sky customers dont get charged extra for Sky Atlantic.

Cheers for clearing that up BomberAF! I can follow your logic with the channel launches, and what you say is logical to me. I can't say I am overly bothered by the probable arrivals, but I will be happy for those who want them! At least it will shut a few people up on here when they eventually come.

passingbat · 07-07-2013, 13:41

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Originally Posted by BomberAF

VM now have more people paying for an XL subscription because the dream boxes have gone.

I don't understand what you mean by that.

BomberAF · 07-07-2013, 13:50

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Originally Posted by passingbat

I don't understand what you mean by that.

When the dream boxes were around, people weren't subscribing to the XL pack they were just subscribing to basic packages. Therefore there is now more money available to VM, so that means although BT sport may cost more to VM than ESPN because of more money available people aren't having to pay more.

passingbat · 07-07-2013, 14:10

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Originally Posted by BomberAF

When the dream boxes were around, people weren't subscribing to the XL pack they were just subscribing to basic packages. Therefore there is now more money available to VM, so that means although BT sport may cost more to VM than ESPN because of more money available people aren't having to pay more.

I may be being a bit thick, but it's the dream boxes I don't understand. What are dream boxes?