Football : The Scottish Football Thread

[colin25]

Interesting read

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...son-1-2978984?

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Consider what Rangers were found guilty of by the judicial panel. Apart from being guilty of an insolvency event, they were found guilty of not disclosing the fact that Craig Whyte had been disqualified from being a company director. They were found guilty of failing to comply with the rules of the PLUS Stock Exchange by not disclosing Whyte’s disqualification. They were found guilty of failing to lodge annual accounts by 31 December, 2001 as required by the Companies Act 2006. They were found guilty of failing to hold an annual general meeting by 1 January, 2012 as required by the Companies Act 2012. They were found guilty of non-payment of PAYE, VAT and National Insurance contributions in excess of £13 million. They were found guilty of failing to pay money due to Dunfermline as per the rules of the Scottish Premier League. They were found guilty of non-payment of money due to Dundee United for a Scottish Cup tie as per the rules of the SFA. They were guilty of non-payment of money to the SFA in relation to the rules of competition in the Scottish Cup.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by colin25

Interesting read

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...son-1-2978984?

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Consider what Rangers were found guilty of by the judicial panel. Apart from being guilty of an insolvency event, they were found guilty of not disclosing the fact that Craig Whyte had been disqualified from being a company director. They were found guilty of failing to comply with the rules of the PLUS Stock Exchange by not disclosing Whyte’s disqualification. They were found guilty of failing to lodge annual accounts by 31 December, 2001 as required by the Companies Act 2006. They were found guilty of failing to hold an annual general meeting by 1 January, 2012 as required by the Companies Act 2012. They were found guilty of non-payment of PAYE, VAT and National Insurance contributions in excess of £13 million. They were found guilty of failing to pay money due to Dunfermline as per the rules of the Scottish Premier League. They were found guilty of non-payment of money due to Dundee United for a Scottish Cup tie as per the rules of the SFA. They were guilty of non-payment of money to the SFA in relation to the rules of competition in the Scottish Cup.

Don't be introducing facts into any disagreements with Spivco fans. They can't remember those facts that don't suit their delusions. A year since the old club passed away and they still won't let it rest in peace.

[colin25]

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

Don't be introducing facts into any disagreements with Spivco fans. They can't remember those facts that don't suite their delusions. A year since the old club passed away and they still won't let it rest in peace.

It's ok...I have 5 minutes spare, and it amuses me

[Chad]

Hasn't this SPFL merger been pushed through yet?

[MalteseFalcon]

To be honest, I'd forgotten half of what happened with Rangers last year. It just seemed like every day something new came out about the club and in the end I just gave up taking any notice apart from the liquidation and formation, demotion to Div 3 and their rapid rise to Div 2.

Hoping the Prem will at least look more close next season.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by colin25

It's ok...I have 5 minutes spare, and it amuses me

You will have a lot more spare time once you've finished walking round the new Tesco Tynecastle. Despite Tom English being a rabid hater of all things Rangers related I did notice this bit from his dribblings.

When you bracket all of these breaches together you get to £160,000. Of that number, only £50,000 relates to the insolvency act. Most of the rest of it comes under the banner of bringing the game into disrepute. How many of these offences are Hearts guilty of and what is their rightful punishment? That’s what must be mulled over in the coming weeks.

OK. Minimum of £50,000 fine for hearts for insolvency. Anything less shows Rangers were treated unfairly.

As for the rest, how many times have hearts failed to pay players on time last season? How often were HMRC at court as they hadn't been paid? And the big question, when were they insolvent and should they have been relegated instead of Dundee?

Pretty much covers bringing the game into disrepute for me (and most neutrals) but nothing will happen. The authorities will roll over, maybe give another transfer ban that can be served when the transfer window is shut.

Of course my initial post a couple of pages ago mentioned the £50,000 fine not the full whack as I was clear the fine relates to an insolvency event and not liquidation, bringing the game into disrepute etc.
I'm perfectly aware of my clubs history unlike some.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by MarkC1984

To be honest, I'd forgotten half of what happened with Rangers last year. It just seemed like every day something new came out about the club and in the end I just gave up taking any notice apart from the liquidation and formation, demotion to Div 3 and their rapid rise to Div 2.

Hoping the Prem will at least look more close next season.

Rangers weren't demoted. They were liquidated, i.e. ceased to exist.

The new tribute act had an application to join the the SPL turned down but were granted associate membership of the SFL and entered in Div 3.

They then showed that they have learned nothing from their dead predecessor by spunking £1million pounds a month to win a league consisting of part time postmen, plumbers and candlestick makers. Second highest wage bill in Scotland and they're still signing SPL players on SPL wages to play in the the third tier of Scotland. It'll be interesting to see their books when they get signed off.

[colin25]

Originally Posted by Derek

You will have a lot more spare time once you've finished walking round the new Tesco Tynecastle. Despite Tom English being a rabid hater of all things Rangers related I did notice this bit from his dribblings.
OK. Minimum of £50,000 fine for hearts for insolvency. Anything less shows Rangers were treated unfairly.
As for the rest, how many times have hearts failed to pay players on time last season? How often were HMRC at court as they hadn't been paid? And the big question, when were they insolvent and should they have been relegated instead of Dundee?

Pretty much covers bringing the game into disrepute for me (and most neutrals) but nothing will happen. The authorities will roll over, maybe give another transfer ban that can be served when the transfer window is shut.

Of course my initial post a couple of pages ago mentioned the £50,000 fine not the full whack as I was clear the fine relates to an insolvency event and not liquidation, bringing the game into disrepute etc.
I'm perfectly aware of my clubs history unlike some.

Grasping at straws by the desperate. I'd advise you to change your name to Coco and seek out a circus

[Cobbydaler]

Originally Posted by Chad

Hasn't this SPFL merger been pushed through yet?

Yes

The Scottish Premier League and the Scottish Football League have agreed to merge after a marathon meeting.
The league structure will remain a top flight of 12 and three lower divisions of 10. There will be play-offs between the top and second tier league.
In addition, the Scottish Professional Football League will introduce a revised financial distribution model.
Talks at Hampden took around 15 hours, with a number of adjournments as lawyers mulled over financial details.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23079880

[Derek]

The SFA have finally woken up and realised hearts are in administration. (And signing players via a loophole despite making others redundant and having a transfer ban)

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish...wsCategoryID=1

Now let's see if sporting integrity is alive and well. Anyone want to bet any punishment is less than the £50,000 fine given to Rangers for entering administration.

[Chad]

BT confirm their opening SPL fixtures

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/off-the-...res_92730.html

"The broadcaster, who will show a total of 30 games from the top flight, start their coverage with Dundee United's trip to Partick Thistle on August 7.

Other fixtures include Aberdeen against champions Celtic at Pittodrie Stadium on August 17 and Kilmarnock's home tie with Motherwell on August 31."

[Derek]

Meanwhile over in salt'n'sauce land.

The bid, submitted to administrators BDO ahead of a 12 July deadline for offers, is in the region of £5m.
BBC Scotland has also learned that the company's plans include a move away from Tynecastle to a purpose-built stadium on the outskirts of Edinburgh.
Club 9 Sports have also set up a new company called HMFC limited with Borders-based business Bob Jamieson, who has been working alongside the company, as their sole director.

Sounds suspiciously like a newco scenario to me. Assuming it is, and they don't get everything done and dusted for the start of the new season what will happen?

The precedent would be demotion to a lower league but how would that work mid season?

Scottish football: Interesting. But not because of the football.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Chris

Scottish football: Interesting despite the football.

Fixed that for you...

Club9 are absolute shysters. They make Craig Whyte look like a fine, upstanding businessman. If they get control I'd imagine at the very least every season ticket bought will be a very expensive flick book.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Derek

Meanwhile over in salt'n'sauce land.



Sounds suspiciously like a newco scenario to me. Assuming it is, and they don't get everything done and dusted for the start of the new season what will happen?

The precedent would be demotion to a lower league but how would that work mid season?

If you're trying to look for similarities to what happened to Rangers (RIP) last year, then there are quite significant differences.

Hearts are still living whereas..... I know it's difficult for you to accept but there's no other way to say it... Rangers are Dead.

It's a bit like transplanting a kidney into a patient compared to transplanting a kidney into a corpse.

Still,, at least you've got that tribute act to follow, follow.