General : Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 2.

[harry_hitch]

[QUOTE=coulsontom;35575667]**** me, how can you not swear when there's such idiotic behaviour on here.

LOL, predictable

Your comments make no sense. The whole point of "CATCH UP on demand" is that it is stuff that you haven't recorded.

Yup, this is true, although if you record anything from the non-terrestrial channels, the chances are the programmes are likely to be repeated more than programmes on the BBC, you could simply change your recording priorities. Just a suggestion.

The whole point of it being on the box is so you don't mess with a laptop or PC. That's just a nonsense suggestion.

Not really a nonsense suggestion, it is a simple and effective solution to a problem you are having. You can use your PC/Laptop or you can continue to get upset over the way an app works. There are solutions to the problem, you just don't wanna accept it.

As for telling me to go to the BBC to complain, what is the point of a discussion forum? As if I would make the BBC Trust change anything. The BBC as a whole is shoddily run.

It becomes less of a discussion forum when you put forward a very real problem for some people, in the form of a rant, and decide to do do nothing about it. All you have done is moan and belittle other peoples suggestions. Again, not really a discussion. It seems you just want to rant about a problem VM have no control over. You could have put those frustrations in an email asking BBC to improve their iplayer - who knows, yours may have been the complaint that made them investigate the problem. As far as the BBC are concerned, the iplayer is acceptable because not enough people have complained to them directly.

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Originally Posted by howardmicks

Cost missing I notice and the register your interest is to see how many Are daft enough to pay for this,I certainly won't be.praying bt fall flat on there face with these channels l

The trouble is though, someone has to buy the rights or Sky will have a monopoly.

[coulsontom]

[QUOTE=harry_hitch;35576079]

Originally Posted by coulsontom

**** me, how can you not swear when there's such idiotic behaviour on here.

LOL, predictable

Your comments make no sense. The whole point of "CATCH UP on demand" is that it is stuff that you haven't recorded.

Yup, this is true, although if you record anything from the non-terrestrial channels, the chances are the programmes are likely to be repeated more than programmes on the BBC, you could simply change your recording priorities. Just a suggestion.

The whole point of it being on the box is so you don't mess with a laptop or PC. That's just a nonsense suggestion.

Not really a nonsense suggestion, it is a simple and effective solution to a problem you are having. You can use your PC/Laptop or you can continue to get upset over the way an app works. There are solutions to the problem, you just don't wanna accept it.

As for telling me to go to the BBC to complain, what is the point of a discussion forum? As if I would make the BBC Trust change anything. The BBC as a whole is shoddily run.

It becomes less of a discussion forum when you put forward a very real problem for some people, in the form of a rant, and decide to do do nothing about it. All you have done is moan and belittle other peoples suggestions. Again, not really a discussion. It seems you just want to rant about a problem VM have no control over. You could have put those frustrations in an email asking BBC to improve their iplayer - who knows, yours may have been the complaint that made them investigate the problem. As far as the BBC are concerned, the iplayer is acceptable because not enough people have complained to them directly.

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The trouble is though, someone has to buy the rights or Sky will have a monopoly.

OK. Firstly, sorry for swearing.

Secondly, I agree that digital channels programmes are more often repeated, but it's just a bit fidily to re-jig recording priorities.

Also, I agree that it is the fault of the BBC Trust not Virgin but I was never criticising virgin for the iplayer app.

But I fundamentally disagree with your general point about not using the app and use a laptop instead if I don't like it. The way of watching BBC on demand should just be better.

[howardmicks]

That's true Harry but its cheaper buying off 1 provider then 2

[coulsontom]

Originally Posted by howardmicks

That's true Harry but its cheaper buying off 1 provider then 2

That depends though doesn't it.

A lot rides on the quality of the rights available as much as anything.

As I see it, most people who subscribe to Sports channels, do so:

1. to watch their team
2. to watch the best games of other teams

The old system where Sky had all the best games and ESPN offered "off-cuts", Sky knew they had every football fan wanting to buy their package because ESPN was only going to carry a few games of a fans team, plus unglamorous matches in an unpopular 5.30pm sat slot.

Now, BT have 18 x first picks so they can satisfy the 2nd element of why people subscribe to sports channels. (Plus they are making them available very cheaply in the right scenario).

One would assume BT will bid for more rights at the next deal. Say, hypothetically that they acquire even more rights, say 60 games to 96 games on Sky. With again 18x first picks.

If they still charge significantly less than sky, people may be tempted to go for BT knowing they are likely to see an average of 6 games of their own team plus 18 of the best games. Sky may have to reduce prices.

Taken to the extreme, a scenario I suggested earlier, if BT acquire half the rights, 50%, 78 games each. If they then charge less than Sky, I don't see how Sky can afford not to match BT's prices.

[harry_hitch]

[QUOTE=coulsontom;35576082]

Originally Posted by harry_hitch

OK. Firstly, sorry for swearing.

Secondly, I agree that digital channels programmes are more often repeated, but it's just a bit fidily to re-jig recording priorities.

Also, I agree that it is the fault of the BBC Trust not Virgin but I was never criticising virgin for the iplayer app.

But I fundamentally disagree with your general point about not using the app and use a laptop instead if I don't like it. The way of watching BBC on demand should just be better.

I agree it should be better, but it is what we have. I only use iplayer for radio, and even then I use my ipod/mobile phone because "VM's" less than ideal. I fully understand your point that you should not have to use your laptop though.

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Originally Posted by coulsontom

That depends though doesn't it.

A lot rides on the quality of the rights available as much as anything.

As I see it, most people who subscribe to Sports channels, do so:

1. to watch their team
2. to watch the best games of other teams

The old system where Sky had all the best games and ESPN offered "off-cuts", Sky knew they had every football fan wanting to buy their package because ESPN was only going to carry a few games of a fans team, plus unglamorous matches in an unpopular 5.30pm sat slot.

Now, BT have 18 x first picks so they can satisfy the 2nd element of why people subscribe to sports channels. (Plus they are making them available very cheaply in the right scenario).

One would assume BT will bid for more rights at the next deal. Say, hypothetically that they acquire even more rights, say 60 games to 96 games on Sky. With again 18x first picks.

If they still charge significantly less than sky, people may be tempted to go for BT knowing they are likely to see an average of 6 games of their own team plus 18 of the best games. Sky may have to reduce prices.

Taken to the extreme, a scenario I suggested earlier, if BT acquire half the rights, 50%, 78 games each. If they then charge less than Sky, I don't see how Sky can afford not to match BT's prices.

Well said, and thank you for making a similar point to one I was going to, it saved me lots of typing

[coulsontom]

I also think there's an issue surrounding the fact that there are quotas so they have to show each team so many times.

Can Sky afford to be showing West Brom v Hull and West Ham v Stoke on the same weekend that BT have Utd v City?

Given the teams get a flat fee, they should be free to choose games. You know when you see these mid table snooze fests there just to fill quotas.

[ncfc1902]

Originally Posted by coulsontom

West Ham v Stoke on the same weekend that BT have Utd v City?

West Ham V Stoke is Utd V City

[coulsontom]

Originally Posted by ncfc1902

West Ham V Stoke is Utd V City

ha.

Unless you're a fan of West Ham, Stoke, or a team where the result of the game would be influential on your teams chance of success, you would not be interested in watching.

unless you're desperate and have nothing else to do/watch

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Media Boy

BBC testing new HD Channel on Astra.

BBC are testing out an new HD Channel on Astra (Maybe the following will happen):

A) An HD Channel for the BBC Red Button.
B) BBC HD maybe about to relaunch for shows in HD on CBBC, Cbeebies, BBC Three and BBC Four.
C) BBC News HD may launch.

Rumours started by a516 (a516 think A will happen).

http://www.a516digital.com/2013/05/b...-way.html#more

This is for a BBC HD Red Button service. Apparently, none of the other broadcasters can afford/want to take up the offer of a further Freeview HD channel, so the BBC are using it for this.

As part of their platform neutrality policy, this service will be availsble on satellite and offered to VM.

By putting the content behind the Red Button service, the BBC do not have to seek approval for a "new channel" from the BBC Trust.

Originally Posted by DaMac

Is there any way to manually tune this bbc test channel for those of us itch the equipment, ie frequency and service I'd etc

Possibly, depending on the type of box that you have. For example, Sky Digi boxes are not currently capable of accepting the values needed to watch some HD broadcasts.

It is believed that the failure of Sky to update the software to accomodate this may be unlawful. A numbrr of people, myself included, are considering taking legal action against Sky to test the legality of this anti competitive behaviour.

Originally Posted by mhatter67

The interesting question for me is why it is taking so long to get a deal for BT Sports channels on the VM platform, any ideas?

No-one is likely to find out about the VM carriage deal until VM are ready to announce it, current negotiations are regarded as extremely commercially sensitive and are on a "need to know basis", with confidentiality measures on 'lockdown'.

HD Red Button explains how they'll do 3D Tennis & Doctor Who 50th.

Hopefully we'll get it as a linear channel as I doubt they can deliver 3D via the streaming 'connected red button.'.

[Ben B]

Originally Posted by Jameseh

HD Red Button explains how they'll do 3D Tennis & Doctor Who 50th.

Hopefully we'll get it as a linear channel as I doubt they can deliver 3D via the streaming 'connected red button.'.

I hope so too, the red button services need to improve for the BBC, like it should take streams from the hidden channels that are used for the non TiVo boxes, they do on Sky Sports and they did for the Olympics so it's clearly possible. I was disappointed with the lack of R1BW footage on the TiVo red button as well, had to stream it online, was even available on Freeview red button later in the day

[Dash: CF noob]

Coming soon BT sport.

[ocav]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

This is for a BBC HD Red Button service. Apparently, none of the other broadcasters can afford/want to take up the offer of a further Freeview HD channel, so the BBC are using it for this.

As part of their platform neutrality policy, this service will be availsble on satellite and offered to VM.

Platform Neutrality? TiVo hasn't has half the red button content ever, the red button is hardly platform neutral.

[Ben B]

On May 29th MTV will be moving from 311 to 134

[Media Boy UK]

Originally Posted by Ben B

On May 29th MTV will be moving from 311 to 134

Mmmm...

New broadcasting deal signed with Viacom???

See my 'Own by' link for more information on what channels may also launch soon.