Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich

[Derek]

Footage of one of the attackers trying to justify his actions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=EROXP8JDG9M

Absolutely shocking, he *sounds* second or third generation British but my god. I've seen a lot of harrowing footage but that is beyond words. Amazing bravery from the members of the public who tried to intervene.

[thenry]

omg

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Sirius

That is what is supposed to have been on twitter. If true that this was a terrorist attack then at least the terrorists involved will not be able to do it again.

But there are plenty more in this country where they came from.

"These two guys were crazed. They were just animals. They dragged him from the pavement and dumped his body in the middle of the road and left his body there," he told LBC radio

It is thought that the two men waited around for 20 minutes until police arrived and then tried to attack them - but were swiftly shot by armed officers including one woman.

Eyewitnesses said the 'crazed' men, aged in their 20s, launched a ferocious attack and were 'hacking at him, chopping him and cutting him.'

Coming to a street near you.

He said: 'I was at home and heard a big bang. I looked out of the window and saw a car had crashed.

'It was a blue Vauxhall. Then two black guys got out of the car dragging a white guy across the road towards the wall. One of the guys had a knife that looked about a foot long and a machete and the other bloke had a gun.
'They started slashing him up with the knife and hitting him in the stomach with the machete. I don't think it took long before he was dead. There were people passing by who were screaming and running away. I've never seen anything like it.

At the very least it was a racist attack, not that it will counted as that.

[adzii_nufc]

Why do we need to pay their court costs? I'm for just executing them in prison and saying it was suicide and sweeping it under the carpet. They should have been shot dead on sight, completely justifiable force.

Originally Posted by Derek

Footage of one of the attackers trying to justify his actions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=EROXP8JDG9M

Absolutely shocking, he *sounds* second or third generation British but my god. I've seen a lot of harrowing footage but that is beyond words. Amazing bravery from the members of the public who tried to intervene.

Indeed. The guy seems completely disconnected with what he has done.

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

Why do we need to pay their court costs? I'm for just executing them in prison and saying it was suicide and sweeping it under the carpet.

Because it's likely they don't have money. It's also important to remember that we're not them. You see what he said in that video about people in their lands experiencing that all the time? The difference between us and them is we have a justice system that decides guilt and we don't take justice into our own hands and apply our own judgements on who is guilty and what is a crime. Executing people without a trail is barbaric. We become like those two.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

But there are plenty more in this country where they came from.
Coming to a street near you.

At the very least it was a racist attack, not that it will counted as that.

This attack is quite exception. This isn't a common occurrence. It is not coming to a street near you. Let's not do the terrorists work for them.

[thenry]

from twitter. indeed it does deserve a RT

Pat Duggan ‏@pat_duggan25
@GeoffArsenal deserves a retweet.

7:24 PM - 22 May 13
https://twitter.com/pat_duggan25/sta...72696771575811

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

Why do we need to pay their court costs? I'm for just executing them in prison and saying it was suicide and sweeping it under the carpet. They should have been shot dead on sight, completely justifiable force.

Agreed. Terrorist class themselves as combatants in a war and should be dealt with by a short sharp injection of lead to the head.

As for our justice system, its a laughing stock when we have to deal with terrorists in our country, we are told what we can do when we can do if if its agreed we can and if we don't we will be dealt with and lets face it we have seen it already. Its this sort of incident that shows that WE cannot deal with terrorist in the way they should be dealt with because our hands are tied by a system that favours those that break the law.

It makes me sick that we can no longer deal with *******s like this because we have to treat them nicely

[Qtx]

Calling it a terrorist attack and having the PM's involvements is just because the government think there is a benefit to do so.

If the police had just responded and shot them, it would have hit the news as a racial motivated attack and forgotten within a week. Minus the beheading, these things happen daily in the UK.

Reporting it differently or toned down would stop others from trying the same, if they think there no-one will notice. At this stage I think this is just two people, obsessed with religion and The West, who crossed the line in to violence, rather than a terrorist cell. The accent of one them shows they have lived in London for at least 10 years, so if he was from overseas originally, he came here at a young age.

Originally Posted by thenry

it will change. it has to.

I am sorry it this comes across as negative, but I don't think that it will in the foreseeable future.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Qtx

Calling it a terrorist attack and having the PM's involvements is just because the government think there is a benefit to do so.

If the police had just responded and shot them, it would have hit the news as a racial motivated attack and forgotten within a week. Minus the beheading, these things happen daily in the UK.

Reporting it differently or toned down would stop others from trying the same, if they think there no-one will notice. At this stage I think this is just two people, obsessed with religion and The West, who crossed the line in to violence, rather than a terrorist cell. The accent of one them shows they have lived in London for at least 10 years, so if he was from overseas originally, he came here at a young age.

Its a terrorist attack as they look like they targeted a soldier, they were shouting allahu akbar or snackbar what ever it is that the terrorist shout all the time when they are killing inocent people. You can call it what ever you like, but i will call it a terrorist incident because i honestly beleave it is.

[Taf]

Let's hope this doesn't act as a trigger for others with similar ideals.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Taf

Let's hope this doesn't act as a trigger for others with similar ideals.

Well considering that we cannot deal with them effectively because we will be seen to be as bad as them , then yes we will see this again because they know we will not be able to stop them properly.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by MarkC1984

I was in Woolwich yesterday, so thank God nothing happened yesterday. Nice place, shame things like this tend to give places a bad name.

Nice place?! It's a toilet!

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Indeed. The guy seems completely disconnected with what he has done.

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Because it's likely they don't have money. It's also important to remember that we're not them. You see what he said in that video about people in their lands experiencing that all the time? The difference between us and them is we have a justice system that decides guilt and we don't take justice into our own hands and apply our own judgements on who is guilty and what is a crime. Executing people without a trail is barbaric. We become like those two.

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This attack is quite exception. This isn't a common occurrence. It is not coming to a street near you. Let's not do the terrorists work for them.

People in their lands ffs what Greenwich, do they realise how stupid they sound, I wonder if he's ever even been to 'muslim lands' at least if he'd been to Afghanistan he might have done us all a favour and got shot in the face.

Originally Posted by Sirius

Well considering that we cannot deal with them effectively because we will be seen to be as bad as them , then yes we will see this again because they know we will not be able to stop them properly.

We've had the criminal justice system here for a long time. How many times has this happened? Somehow I don't think that fact that we don't just execute people with a fair trial is why they do it. You can't deter crazy people, these guys ran at the armed police trying to get shot. The 7/7 bombers blew themselves up. The threat of death will not deter them. You're arguing we adopt aspects of Sharia law which is hardly sticking to them, it's what they want.