General : Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 2.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Jameseh

Its one sodding channel that Sky have pumped a fair few quid into to make it a worthwhile exclusive.

But it shouldn't be allowed. We are supposed to be a nation of competition, not monopolistic practices.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

But it shouldn't be allowed. We are supposed to be a nation of competition, not monopolistic practices.

Summed up perfectly but alas some of the great old stalwarts on here will tell us something different.

[huxleypiguk]

However business is business. Sky is allowed exclusives just as BT, VM and FreeSat are if they want to.

Remember if VM wanted to own content then they could have kept their channels and stopped Sky from having them. They chose to go where the money is. ie: broadband and an ip network, which Sky doesn't have and which could make VM a lot of money in the future.

When you look at Skys lineup there isn't much there that is missing on VM of any quality IMHO.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by huxleypiguk

However business is business. Sky is allowed exclusives just as BT, VM and FreeSat are if they want to.

Remember if VM wanted to own content then they could have kept their channels and stopped Sky from having them. They chose to go where the money is. ie: broadband and an ip network, which Sky doesn't have and which could make VM a lot of money in the future.

When you look at Skys lineup there isn't much there that is missing on VM of any quality IMHO.

We know that Sky are allowed to do it HP, but the fact is that the law of the land shouldn't allow them to do it. How is this good for the customer? To get what we want, we have to subscribe to Sky and Virgin. Ridiculous!

The content we are missing is SA content. Mad Men, Boardwalk Empire, Blue Bloods, Treme.... need I go on?

I can't believe you think this is OK, HP, if indeed that is what you are saying. Stupid state of affairs.

[harry_hitch]

Originally Posted by johnasimmons

I forgot; Universal HD as well as Sky Atlantic & Premier Sports

Sorry guys, should have made it clear, I was including the current batch of HD channels waiting to launch in previous post. Feel free to keep suggesting them though, as we do not have it yet

[denphone]

Well it was just a matter of time before the great man of our time came to good old Sky's defence but remember Sky had TiVo and decided to get rid of it or have you conveniently forgot that.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We know that Sky are allowed to do it HP, but the fact is that the law of the land shouldn't allow them to do it. How is this good for the customer? To get what we want, we have to subscribe to Sky and Virgin. Ridiculous!

So no different to wanting to watch 'House of cards' , 'Hemlock Grove' or the 4th Season of 'Arrested Development' all of which can only be viewed by taking an additional subscription to Netflix.

Originally Posted by denphone

Well it was just a matter of time before the great man of our time came to good old Sky's defence but remember Sky had TiVo and decided to get rid of it or have you conveniently forgot that.

You didn't mind when Virginmedia refused to allow Sky to use its network for ondemand, you didn't mind when Sky was stuck with ADSL services and its average speeds was 3Mb and Virginmedia refused to let Sky use its broadband network (in fact you actually gloated about it).

You don't mind Virginmedia have EXCLUSIVITY on Film 4HD, oh dear boy you are so one sided. Whilst some were complaining an trying to throttle innovation, others were busy innovating an now its paying off.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We know that Sky are allowed to do it HP, but the fact is that the law of the land shouldn't allow them to do it. How is this good for the customer? To get what we want, we have to subscribe to Sky and Virgin. Ridiculous!

The content we are missing is SA content. Mad Men, Boardwalk Empire, Blue Bloods, Treme.... need I go on?

I can't believe you think this is OK, HP, if indeed that is what you are saying. Stupid state of affairs.

If it wasn't for subscription based ttv channels you wouldn't have the Hi quality programming, or things like Boardwalk empires $1 Million pilot. The advertising revenues just are not there anymore.

[denphone]

There has never been a one sided view from me dear chap as l speak as l see it and l have praised and criticised Virgin Media and Sky in equal measure before and will continue to do so in future and please remember Virgin do actually allow Sky access to their network as Virgin have just signed a five-year deal to provide Sky Broadband with network backhaul (between exchanges and the wider internet) so perhaps is now the time for Sky to provide VM with access to Sky Atlantic and those missing HD Sports channels to show actually that they have changed their spots

[harry_hitch]

Originally Posted by denphone

There has never been a one sided view from me dear chap as l speak as l see it and l have praised and criticised Virgin Media and Sky in equal measure before and will continue to do so in future and please remember Virgin do actually allow Sky access to their network as Virgin have just signed a five-year deal to provide Sky Broadband with network backhaul (between exchanges and the wider internet) so perhaps is now the time for Sky to provide VM with access to Sky Atlantic and those missing HD Sports channels to show actually that they have changed their spots

But this thread will die a death very quickly when that happens, because (as Chad pointed out) VM will have the best offering by far In all seriousness, the sooner VM get them, the better it will be for everyone. I just hope we get Nat Geo Wild HD chucked in too. Also, as I am rather an idiot can someone explain what "backhaul" actually is/does in laymans terms please? (thanks for trying in you post Den, but I still dont understand it)

[denphone]

Originally Posted by harry_hitch

But this thread will die a death very quickly when that happens, because (as Chad pointed out) VM will have the best offering by far In all seriousness, the sooner VM get them, the better it will be for everyone. I just hope we get Nat Geo Wild HD chucked in too. Also, as I am rather an idiot can someone explain what "backhaul" actually is/does in laymans terms please? (thanks for trying in you post Den, but I still dont understand it)

This might help Harry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backhau...communications)

In a hierarchical telecommunications network the backhaul portion of the network comprises the intermediate links between the core network, or backbone network and the small subnetworks at the "edge" of the entire hierarchical network.

In contracts pertaining to such networks, backhaul is the obligation to carry packets to and from that global network.

[harry_hitch]

Originally Posted by denphone

This might help Harry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backhau...communications)

Um, thanks, I think. I have looked at that before but it did not really help. I will try and explain what I think it is and you can perhaps correct me? Are VM simply piping the internet "feed?" to Sky's HQ, who then "intercept" the "feed?" and pass it on to their customers?

[RichardCoulter]

Didn't Sky buy out Wannado in order to supply the internet to their customers? I'd have thought that would still have sufficient infrastructure.

Perhaps they now need extra capacity or more up to date equipment, or with the passage of time it is now cheaper to do it via VM

[Ben B]

There's way to much Sky Atlantic discussion in this thread considering it's not even a channel that's coming soon...

[Tricky Trevor]

Originally Posted by Ben B

There's way to much Sky Atlantic discussion in this thread considering it's not even a channel that's coming soon...

But there will always be plenty of speculation. I'm not bothered about Sky Atlantic myself but I truly hope that those who have waited a long time for it will one day get their wish