Football Season 2012/2013 - Page 389

thenry · 08-03-2013, 17:02

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Barcelona's Gerard Pique on Gareth Bale and Premier League
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21712811

Here we go

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Originally Posted by Damien

At this point I want a player from the Premiership unless they're truly world class and tested at the highest level. No more Ligue 1 players for a start.

that doesn't make sense. plus its not possible for Arsenal to throw a load of cash. its about picking the right quality. Wenger lets the quality pass by while picking crap which leads to your comments such as no more Ligue 1 players for a start

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Laudrup signs new Swans contract

http://www.swanseacity.net/news/arti...al-701932.aspx

denphone · 08-03-2013, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Damien

At this point I want a player from the Premiership unless they're truly world class and tested at the highest level. No more Ligue 1 players for a start.

And who do you have in mind?.

thenry · 08-03-2013, 17:05

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Originally Posted by Damien

Who cares about 30%? That obsession is a relic from previous rules which meant 30% equalled a place on the board. That rule changed. Now it's because it could make a lot of noise but he has been making a lot of noise already, he usually releases a biannual statement to stir things up. The last one is it will put pressure on Stan but what pressure? They're his shares and he can sell when he wants. You can't force him to sell.

The 30% is just inside baseball, an obsession for people who need things to talk about.

yes we can.

**Damien** · 08-03-2013, 17:12

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Originally Posted by thenry

that doesn't make sense. plus its not possible for Arsenal to throw a load of cash. its about picking the right quality. Wenger lets the quality pass by while picking crap which leads to your comments such as no more Ligue 1 players for a start

It does make sense. Picking players with experience in the Premier League is a safer bet than picking ones from a league where the defenders work at a slower pace. If there is a great player out there in Ligue 1 then that's fine but it's a risker market as you'll be unsure of how they'll adapt. You either take a risk or buy expensive players. There are good players who don't cost a lot but they're much harder to find. After all if they were a sure thing then people would be willing to pay a lot more.

Also I agree it's about picking the right quality - I don't think anyone disagrees with that. However players don't come with 'right quality' stamped on their foreheads. You have to find them. That's the hard part.

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Originally Posted by thenry

yes we can.

How?

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Originally Posted by denphone

And who do you have in mind?.

I don't know. Ashley Williams has been mentioned by The Guardian. I think that's not a bad shout as he has Premier League experience and plays in a team who play in a similar way to Arsenal, high lines and lots of passing. If I knew someone I could be sure of then I would be a scout

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I find defenders one of the hardest positions to judge because their skill can largely depend on the rest of their team. Stoke defend aggressively as an entire team, with the midfield behind the ball and disciplined lines. This helps their defenders. Arsenal defend with a high line and the midfield attack more leaving them exposed. It's harder to defend when you have players running like a bullet towards your goal. Additionally TV is awful at letting you judge players anticipation and positioning. A defensive interception on TV often looks like a misplaced pass from the opposition because the camera didn't show you the defender anticipation that pass and getting into position. This is one of the reasons I really rate Koscielny, it doesn't come across on TV but his reading of the game really is excellent. You watch him in the stadium and see how often and how quickly he responds to a danger and snuffs it out, it's impressive.

denphone · 08-03-2013, 17:27

Michael Laudrup signs fresh Swansea deal.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21719120

Well that should keep Russ happy.

thenry · 08-03-2013, 17:40

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Originally Posted by Damien

Who cares about 30%? That obsession is a relic from previous rules which meant 30% equalled a place on the board. That rule changed. Now it's because it could make a lot of noise but he has been making a lot of noise already, he usually releases a biannual statement to stir things up. The last one is it will put pressure on Stan but what pressure? They're his shares and he can sell when he wants. You can't force him to sell.

The 30% is just inside baseball, an obsession for people who need things to talk about.

forgot to mention Usmanov could actually do more to stir things up. his open letter was on point, the second release was though not needed at the time. apart from the second slip up he hasnt really done much to disrupt. Arsenal officials have done that all themselves.

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Originally Posted by Damien

It does make sense. Picking players with experience in the Premier League is a safer bet than picking ones from a league where the defenders work at a slower pace.

i dont mean to sound like Wenger but it is about the quality not slower league etc.

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If there is a great player out there in Ligue 1 then that's fine but it's a risker market as you'll be unsure of how they'll adapt. You either take a risk or buy expensive players. There are good players who don't cost a lot but they're much harder to find. After all if they were a sure thing then people would be willing to pay a lot more. Also I agree it's about picking the right quality - I don't think anyone disagrees with that. However players don't come with 'right quality' stamped on their foreheads. You have to find them. That's the hard part.

everythings a risk. again its about buying the right quality. there is quality in Ligue1. There is quality in other leagues. Its about buying that quality instead of flops. other clubs are buying the quality, why is Wenger opting for flops instead? there on pretty big wages too if you compare what other clubs have signed on what wages those players are on.

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How?

fans power. this decline.

**Damien** · 08-03-2013, 18:47

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Originally Posted by thenry

i dont mean to sound like Wenger but it is about the quality not slower league etc.

I think everyone is agreed on quality actually. So moving the conversation forward. How can we ensure we get quality? Especially if we can't throw money at a sure thing?

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fans power. this decline.

How will fan power get him to sell the shares? What mechanism is in place? Fan power didn't remove the United owners and it was the banks who eventually got rid of Liverpool's owners. Blackburn's owners are still there.

thenry · 08-03-2013, 18:58

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Arsenal, Chelsea, Newcastle, West Bromwich Albion, Sunderland and Cardiff City scouting Rennes v St. Etienne tonight

https://twitter.com/staderennais

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Originally Posted by Damien

I think everyone is agreed on quality actually. So moving the conversation forward. How can we ensure we get quality? Especially if we can't throw money at a sure thing?

buy worthwhile qaulity not flops. whatever guideline used to sign players needs looking at again. how an earth have players moved to non CL clubs while we're left with nothing or flops, nothing same thing.

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Originally Posted by Damien

How will fan power get him to sell the shares? What mechanism is in place? Fan power didn't remove the United owners and it was the banks who eventually got rid of Liverpool's owners. Blackburn's owners are still there.

Utd had Fergie. Liverpool are a mess. Blackburn are mess too. Arsenal are a mess or becoming a real mess if things continue. I don't like Ivan, he looks to the Liverpool model, ******. we may well be going down the route if the current bullcrap continues! time for change, if it means pushing people out then so be it. the AST etc. isn't on best terms with the board anymore, they dont care anymore, they did use to think twice butno more, out with the comments straight away. pressure is growing and Usmanov is waiting to pounce

**Damien** · 08-03-2013, 19:03

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Originally Posted by thenry

buy worthwhile qaulity not flops. whatever guideline used to sign players needs looking at again. how an earth have players moved to non CL clubs while we're left with nothing or flops, nothing same thing.

No we do need quality players. How can we ensure we get them though? That's why I am more inclined to get defenders from the Premiership.

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Utd had Fergie. Liverpool are a mess. Blackburn are mess too. Arsenal are a mess or becoming a real mess if things continue. I don't like Ivan, he looks to the Liverpool model, ******. we may well be going down the route if the current bullcrap continues! time for change, if it means pushing people out then so be it. the AST etc. isn't on best terms with the board anymore, they dont care anymore, they did use to think twice butno more, out with the comments straight away. pressure is growing and Usmanov is waiting to pounce

Yeah but how do we force Stan to sell his shares?

thenry · 08-03-2013, 20:33

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Originally Posted by Damien

No we do need quality players. How can we ensure we get them though? That's why I am more inclined to get defenders from the Premiership.

doesnt always work out that way but i do understand the experiences aspect

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Originally Posted by Damien

Yeah but how do we force Stan to sell his shares?

PHW out, Ivan out, Stan becomes a loner in an environment he wont be able to survive in. seriously, Usmanov offering 20+k a share but its all about timing.

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oh my

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Geoff Arsenal ‏@GeoffArsenal
Hearing The consortium will be making a bid to buy out Kronke and then Usmanov will join them. Usmanov will be the face of the club.
8:21 PM - Mar 8, 2013
https://twitter.com/GeoffArsenal/status/310123153294778368

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Geoff Arsenal ‏@GeoffArsenal
Apparently Usmanov is close to getting into the Saudi construction market and a Saudi Prince with others wants to join Usmanov at Arsenal.
8:31 PM - Mar 8, 2013
https://twitter.com/GeoffArsenal/status/310125714563289088

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Geoff Arsenal ‏@GeoffArsenal
Seems there is a lot of back scratching going on. The bid has been planned months ago. It is real.
8:33 PM - Mar 8, 2013
https://twitter.com/GeoffArsenal/status/310126248821145601

If these forces remove Stan and join to form a team then rest assured this club would be bank rolled to high heaven! That said I do want Dein involved, Bob Wilson in as well to keep The Arsenal front going and of course safety.

**Damien** · 08-03-2013, 20:38

Knew Usmanov would be behind it. Knew it. If true of course....ah whatever. Give me ticket price reductions of MASSIVE amounts please.

thenry · 08-03-2013, 20:51

He's up to big things in the business world. Being in Gas, oil etc. this doesn't surprise me. exciting times..

thenry · 09-03-2013, 01:06

hmm....

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Darren ‏@DarrenArsenal1
Little bit more on the supposed Middle Eastern interest, been stocked by PR as stalking horse to see what reaction there would be.....
12:27 AM - Mar 9, 2013
https://twitter.com/DarrenArsenal1/s...85017085132801

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Darren ‏@DarrenArsenal1
... Interested party is from Qatar and is seemingly Hamad bin KhaliFa al Thani, who controls "6 Sports Investments"
12:28 AM - Mar 9, 2013
https://twitter.com/DarrenArsenal1/s...85283343761408

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Darren ‏@DarrenArsenal1
Again, much of the story am told is to see reaction of certain parties pushed by PR. But against my first thoughts, seems to be some smoke.
12:29 AM - Mar 9, 2013
https://twitter.com/DarrenArsenal1/s...85615851388928

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Darren ‏@DarrenArsenal1
Red & White will not sell,but equally will not obstruct and likely if anything was to happen that Farhad Moshiri would be R&W representative
12:31 AM - Mar 9, 2013
https://twitter.com/DarrenArsenal1/s...86041967509504

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Darren ‏@DarrenArsenal1
But that said bottom line whether its a middle eastern buyer or Moshiri and Usmanov, if Kroenke won't sell he won't sell. #plurality
12:34 AM - Mar 9, 2013
https://twitter.com/DarrenArsenal1/s...86678553821186

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Darren ‏@DarrenArsenal1
Why is there smoke, a certain person who helped facilitate the MCFC deal has been appointed to do same over this potential deal.
12:41 AM - Mar 9, 2013
https://twitter.com/DarrenArsenal1/s...88460394831872

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I just noticed the kick off times on sunday

Prem
Liverpool v Tottenham 16:00 - SS1

FA Cup
Man Utd v Chelsea 16:30 - ITV1

fail!

denphone · 09-03-2013, 05:02

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Originally Posted by thenry

hmm....

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I just noticed the kick off times on sunday

Prem
Liverpool v Tottenham 16:00 - SS1

FA Cup
Man Utd v Chelsea 16:30 - ITV1

fail!

Pathetic.

denphone · 09-03-2013, 12:14

Arsenal join race for Jordy Clasie.

http://www.soccernews.com/arsenal-jo...medium=twitter

Maybe this will cheer up old stoneface.