Welfare or Soldiers?

No i don't pay tax or work anymore because while serving my country i got severely wounded and during my 15 month recuperation a genetic disease called ankylosing spondylitis took hold and completely fused my neck and spine and has now spread to my shoulders giving me severe arthritis in both shoulders. So yes i take from a system that i paid into for many years and was under the misguided impression that the system was there for this very thing. Also following your logic i am perfectly entitled to comment in any defence thread or debate because i have served so therefore my opinion is worth far more then anyone that hasn't served.

Of course that assumes the premise is good which it isn't everyone in this country has the right to an opinion on any public matter because that is one of the major freedoms of this country and no one has the right to try and dismiss it or diminish it in anyway.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

because while serving my country i got severely wounded

No you didn't.

Er excuse me i am pretty sure i know what has happened to me in my life and also damn sure you do not.

Originally Posted by Bogof

If thats your opinion that's fine, but I disagree strongly.

Actually it's yours ,and your type of thinking is most definitely what we don't want .We are in the middle of the biggest change to welfare for decades ,a change that is not only designed to save money but to change the way people think about welfare we don't need your type of attitude creating a divide between those that work and those that don't because anyone of us workers could easily be unemployed/permanently sick tomorrow ,your attitude of "if you don't pay taxes then you have no say in how they are spent" is just as ignorant as it gets

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Bogof

No you didn't.

This is getting quite bizarre...

[denphone]

Methinks he is digging himself a rather large hole.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

P.s oh and dragging welfare into this when there is so much wastage within the M.O.D is pathetic by phillip hammond sadly i am not surprised by this.

For me it's a no brainer ,the MOD could save billions if it applied itself and probably not have to lose too many soldiers either

This is ridiculous, I have been upfront and open about my views, I don't try to sugar coat and I have no problem when others disagree with me, infact I encourage it.

But the complete fantasy that is some of the replies I am getting is laughable, I am being deliberately misquoted, comments made by other users who then try to force them on me as my views. Along with fantastical stories why some are on benefits has ruined this debate/thread.

I am aware for some here not getting your own way results in endless sob stories and wallowing in self pitty, an if that doesn't work threats of suicide perhaps follow. But unfortunately I am entitled to my opinions, an that is the UK benefit system is simply brilliant. But unfortunately filthy pathetic low life **** attempt to defraud the genuinely needy. Reducing available services and perhaps costing lives.

So stop attempting to missquote me, grow up and understand I will be happy to see all scroungers kicked of benefits whilst genuine cases and the low paid get more help.

Originally Posted by Bogof

This is ridiculous, I have been upfront and open about my views, I don't try to sugar coat and I have no problem when others disagree with me, infact I encourage it.

But the complete fantasy that is some of the replies I am getting is laughable, I am being deliberately misquoted, comments made by other users who then try to force them on me as my views. Along with fantastical stories why some are on benefits has ruined this debate/thread.

I am aware for some here not getting your own way results in endless sob stories and wallowing in self pitty, an if that doesn't work threats of suicide perhaps follow. But unfortunately I am entitled to my opinions, an that is the UK benefit system is simply brilliant. But unfortunately filthy pathetic low life **** attempt to defraud the genuinely needy. Reducing available services and perhaps costing lives.

So stop attempting to missquote me, grow up and understand I will be happy to see all scroungers kicked of benefits whilst genuine cases and the low paid get more help.

Nobody has misquoted you ,you have however called Rizzy a liar and said because he doesn't work he(and nobody else who doesn't work) has no right to say in how taxes are spent.

I have been most vocal in my views about benefits but i appreciate that most of the claimants do not wish to be claimants ,maybe some are over fussy about the job they get or are easily defeated but they do want to work.

Play nicely gentlemen.

All I did was explain how I ended up where I am no attempt for sympathy no sob story just an explanation if that has offended you somehow that's your problem. You'll pardon me if I don't believe you when you say the genuine should get help because in your eye's no one is genuine they just have fantastical stories. Also if the little quip about suicide was also aimed at me sorry your wrong too many people worked hard to keep me alive and get me a degree of freedom for me to throw it away. I honestly don't know why you posted what you did but hope in future you can debate in a more rational manner.

[SMG]

The welfare budget is out of control. That said, I don't see any cuts to immigrants benefits, or illegal immigrants who are still hanging on & sponging off the country. All I have seen up to now is a company of hit-men ploughing through the incapacity benefit, & proposals to do the same with the Disability Living Allowance. I don't see any cuts to foreign countries either.

The MoD is the most useless, wasteful, corrupt government department we have. Its full of people who know nothing except how to waste taxpayers money on useless equipment. Every service man or woman made redundant will cost us money. The first thing they will do is sign up for benefits & housing. How is that going to help the pot?

I`m proud to be British, & ashamed of my government. Their priorities are driving this country toward radical political parties, many of whom are gaining ground all the time. We need a strong Army, my lad was in Kenya last week, (BATUK) they have orders to carry sidearms whenever out of camp. Radical Islamist s are like a plague, spreading poison everywhere, & I for one don't want to wake up at 6am to the wailing of some old plonker spreading the word.

You can only negotiate from a position of strength.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

no one is genuine they just have fantastical stories.

Miss-quoting works both ways, I assume you're a fully grown adult man? If so stop telling me what I think or what I didn't say. You go on like a bored housewife. An by the way, you were not injured in the Army

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Bogof

Miss-quoting works both ways, I assume you're a fully grown adult man? If so stop telling me what I think or what I didn't say. You go on like a bored housewife. An by the way, you were not injured in the Army

I don't think you're going to get the desired effect you're after on this forum. There's no point in saying much more really.

Originally Posted by Bogof

Miss-quoting works both ways, I assume you're a fully grown adult man? If so stop telling me what I think or what I didn't say. You go on like a bored housewife. An by the way, you were not injured in the Army

please support your assertion, or stop stating it.